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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Tempest => Topic started by: roberth909 on July 03, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
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I'm going to state the obvious, why not take 1/2 of the Prophet X and make the Tempest 2.0 that a lot of us have been wanting? And get a great 8-voice synth in the process as well, that would be easier on the wallet than the Prophet X. It seems like the required Tempest 2.0 sound engine with sample import is all there. I would skip a desktop version of the Prophet X and go straight to the Tempest 2.0 that could function as 1/2 of a Prophet X, with 8 voices, that would still be a totally useful polysynth. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy?
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I think roberth909 have a point with the voice architecture ingredients. It makes very much sense for DSI to make multi-timbral synthesizers that can do both poly duties and play drum sounds well. Supporting sample playback and having multiple envelope modes would be useful.
The trick is then that drum machines should be able to sequence such synthesizer modules well while the synthesizer modules are not all that far away from what DSI already can do. Best way to go if you ask me!
:-X . o O ( wishful thinking )
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I’d make a hybrid Analog/Digital Tempest and basically a standalone station to finish complete creations!One machine to carry at your live gigs..Enough with all the modular hype and monster studios.It’s 2018 and things supposed to be more compact and efficient.
Imagine how creative people could get by focusing and learning by heart one machine.In the technical area i imagine this hybrid Tempest to be able to switch voices the way it fits someone’s workflow.For instance transform from a fully analog 16voice beast to an 8voice analog/64voices sample loading digital station with on-board high quality FX!And while you’re at it if we could get a mobile mode by using an internal charged battery like the MPC Live and have input processing with live looping and recording then this would be a one company show and will destroy any competition!
IMHO that’s the future!
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Actually since 8Dio is going into the hardware realm with the PX, I mentioned to them that perhaps they might also want to look into doing a drum machine as well. They have some fantastic sounding drum samples in the PX and in their libraries and it would be nice to do a sampler drum machine (with Dave's filters of course) and perhaps some input with Roger Linn with his Linnstrument technology.
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Rather than waiting for something to magically happen in the future, I've decided to try using an MPC Live for now. It seems to fulfill a lot of song creation purposes for me, that can then be brought into the studio setting for refinement, final recording and mixing.
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Yep for me too!Yesterday i’ve played a new track to my band mate at the place i DJ and told me it was the best track i’ve wrote so far..Told him that literally wrote and finish this one on my couch exclusively on the MPC Live..The mobility and convenience of this thing is phenomenal!
Rather than waiting for something to magically happen in the future, I've decided to try using an MPC Live for now. It seems to fulfill a lot of song creation purposes for me, that can then be brought into the studio setting for refinement, final recording and mixing.
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I'd never trust DSI with something that's 'firmware heavy' (e.g. a complex sequencer or sampler) again.
I might, possibly, buy another analog synth from them but for some reason nothing they've done since the Tempest really pushes my buttons sound-wise. Basically I don't rate or trust their DSP chops (that character module sounds awful to my ears).
At the moment I'm pretty happy sequencing Tempest and other gear with my Deluge and dipping into modular when I can afford it. If someone finally brought out a proper sampler with analog filters per voice I'd be interested in that - or a properly multi-timbral Brute would be nice!
No desire for Tempest 2.0 though. DSI would screw it up.
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Rather than waiting for something to magically happen in the future, I've decided to try using an MPC Live for now. It seems to fulfill a lot of song creation purposes for me, that can then be brought into the studio setting for refinement, final recording and mixing.
Personally I also look at the SP-16 as the "NEW" Tempest. Sure it doesn't have an analog synth engine but it seems quite capable as a drum machine/main sequencer.
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SP-16 is nowhere near the MPC Live...A few finish touches that will introduced in the upcoming updates like Disk Streaming and Multi Midi mode and it’s a classic!
Rather than waiting for something to magically happen in the future, I've decided to try using an MPC Live for now. It seems to fulfill a lot of song creation purposes for me, that can then be brought into the studio setting for refinement, final recording and mixing.
Personally I also look at the SP-16 as the "NEW" Tempest. Sure it doesn't have an analog synth engine but it seems quite capable as a drum machine/main sequencer.
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SP-16 is nowhere near the MPC Live...A few finish touches that will introduced in the upcoming updates like Disk Streaming and Multi Midi mode and it’s a classic!
Rather than waiting for something to magically happen in the future, I've decided to try using an MPC Live for now. It seems to fulfill a lot of song creation purposes for me, that can then be brought into the studio setting for refinement, final recording and mixing.
Personally I also look at the SP-16 as the "NEW" Tempest. Sure it doesn't have an analog synth engine but it seems quite capable as a drum machine/main sequencer.
Sorry updates for the MPC or SP-16?
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The MPC
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Roger Linn’s vision is what I love about the Tempest. Let’s pair him up with someone like Rohan at Synthstrom Audible and make some magic happen. Being a willing participant in the beta testing of the Deluge has shown me what promising and delivering looks like.
I love my Tempest, but 2.0... nobody wants that. DSI cannot handle it. Honestly, I saw the Prophet X and my first thought was how dicey a situation it must be for them to be working with anything remotely different than an analog synth again.
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Roger Linn’s vision is what I love about the Tempest. Let’s pair him up with someone like Rohan at Synthstrom Audible and make some magic happen. Being a willing participant in the beta testing of the Deluge has shown me what promising and delivering looks like.
I love my Tempest, but 2.0... nobody wants that. DSI cannot handle it. Honestly, I saw the Prophet X and my first thought was how dicey a situation it must be for them to be working with anything remotely different than an analog synth again.
That's why collaborations are so great. Each party handles their respective strengths. Right now we are seeing a lot of software and VST companies partnering with hardware companies. 8Dio and DSI with the Prophet X and Slate and Pearl with the Mimic Drum Module. I spoke to Roger about this and said that it would be nice if he came out with a module that featured MPE supported sounds. His fear is a lot of the sounds are already available on a computer so why would anyone pay more for hardware...but with the Prophet X, Mimic and others we are seeing that more people want to
1.) Get away from relying on the computer.
2.) Take a lot of the strain off of their CPUs as opposed to having loads of VST's open or having to open a VST each time. Something like a Sample Modelling/Roger Linn version of the Integra7. Which would be used in conjunction with his own Linnstrument.
As far as a drum machine....well I mean who could Roger really partner with and what exactly could he bring to the table at this point that can't be done with the MPCs?
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As far as a drum machine....well I mean who could Roger really partner with and what exactly could he bring to the table at this point that can't be done with the MPCs?
3D controller features and a very good functionality/UI designers creativity. There used to be a note on his site about a next generation LinnDrum II design with LinnStrument features. Could end up being a far more interesting machine than the original LinnDrum II design if you ask me.
Collaborations: well, there are several options of which Pioneer is an obvious candidate given their focus on extending their DJ market.
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As far as a drum machine....well I mean who could Roger really partner with and what exactly could he bring to the table at this point that can't be done with the MPCs?
3D controller features and a very good functionality/UI designers creativity. There used to be a note on his site about a next generation LinnDrum II design with LinnStrument features. Could end up being a far more interesting machine than the original LinnDrum II design if you ask me.
Collaborations: well, there are several options of which Pioneer is an obvious candidate given their focus on extending their DJ market.
Or Toontrack.
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Yes!!
I was thinking the same thing while watching X demo videos.
This could be a great foundation for the next Tempest
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:) good idea!
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How about just dropping the synth engine (& keys ofc) and in its place adding in a drum machine section, but leave the rest as is? In place of the synth area add 16 pads or buttons, add more drum samples, & whatever else is needed. I'm sure a lot of us would prefer using our analog DSI synths in conjunction with the sampled instruments.
Well that would blow my mind at least. :P
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Did a video with the PX demoing some beats I programmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za-t76oOtlc&lc=z23fwr4bdumddjo5u04t1aokgoh3zxm1du404jwfv3tzrk0h00410
Certainly some great drum sounds in the PX that would be great in a stand alone drum machine....but like I said I guess you could sample them into your SP-16 or MPC.
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How about just dropping the synth engine (& keys ofc) and in its place adding in a drum machine section, but leave the rest as is? In place of the synth area add 16 pads or buttons, add more drum samples, & whatever else is needed. I'm sure a lot of us would prefer using our analog DSI synths in conjunction with the sampled instruments.
Well that would blow my mind at least. :P
Nah that gets into workstation territory which the PX is not.
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Coming from the guy who uses the PX as a rompler... Don't be giving me no "subtle." ;)
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Coming from the guy who uses the PX as a rompler... Don't be giving me no "subtle." ;)
Sorry that I don't enjoy programing sounds of aliens trapped in a bathroom. ;)
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https://youtu.be/lGez_3jqgCI?t=523
Welp, Dave said it's a possibility...
Got to say, having just bought the Tempest new, I hope if the TX does become a reality that it's its own thing. I would personally still prefer the original to an all digital front-end machine. Also, I really love the Curtis filters for drum machine purposes.
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https://youtu.be/lGez_3jqgCI?t=523
Welp, Dave said it's a possibility...
Got to say, having just bought the Tempest new, I hope if the TX does become a reality that it's its own thing. I would personally still prefer the original to an all digital front-end machine. Also, I really love the Curtis filters for drum machine purposes.
I've been using the PX for some percussion and drum sounds for a bit and I got to say I absolutely love it. That being said...one could theoretically sample some of the PX sounds into a MPC or Elektron now. Still...it would be cool to see a new drum machine from Sequential and pair it alongside the original Tempest. I'm still waiting to see what Roger has up his sleeve though.
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It isn't quite that simple. There are a lot of bottlenecks that prevent realtime streaming of samples, not to mention loading of files and all the various audio-rate effects we allow, with a 4-8 part multi-timbral instrument (which the Tempest would be). With the PX hardware we couldn't do a Tempest 2
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The same probs with Disk Streaming and multitumbrality are facing the AKAI coders as we speak Chris ;) I own the MPC Live and people are all over them to implement these features in the upcoming updates and as they stated it’s coming so...Tick tack..Who will lead the way? :D
Bet more companies will get involved to this all around,DAW style,machine that finishes tracks type of business..
With the latest addition of Air FX’s Pro Tools FX and side chain support inside their machines AKAI have raised the bar hard but....and i say but...if you guys would realease a machine that does all that with the addition of analog filters and OSCs i’d be willing to sell all my stuff and go solo with your machine..Just my 2 cents ;)
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The same probs with Disk Streaming and multitumbrality are facing the AKAI coders as we speak Chris ;) I own the MPC Live and people are all over them to implement these features in the upcoming updates and as they stated it’s coming so...Tick tack..Who will lead the way? :D
Synthstrom Audible. Deluge now streams all samples and reads multisamples really well ;)
Personally I don't think it's FX are anything to write home about but everything else about it is great - properly portable, CV/gate sequencing, excellent arranger and a very workable VA and FM synth engine. It's not far off being the perfect studio 'brain' (for my purposes anyway).
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Synthstrom Audible. Deluge now streams all samples and reads multisamples really well ;)
Personally I don't think it's FX are anything to write home about but everything else about it is great - properly portable, CV/gate sequencing, excellent arranger and a very workable VA and FM synth engine. It's not far off being the perfect studio 'brain' (for my purposes anyway).
Personally i’m more into linear sequencing instead of step sequencing that’s why i went with AKAI plus i can jam on those gorgeous pads all day long something that Deluge or Octatrack (i used to own one) doesn’t deliver..
A question...Can you play simultaneously 2 different sounds with multiple controllers hooked to Deluge?For example a QuNeo playing the drums and a Midi keyboard a synth sound?AKAI calls it Midi Multi Mode and is one of the things that can take my band’s jams to the next level..Hopefully is on it’s way..A lot of flame as we speak from users in the AKAI forum on this one + Disk streaming..
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Synthstrom Audible. Deluge now streams all samples and reads multisamples really well ;)
Personally I don't think it's FX are anything to write home about but everything else about it is great - properly portable, CV/gate sequencing, excellent arranger and a very workable VA and FM synth engine. It's not far off being the perfect studio 'brain' (for my purposes anyway).
Personally i’m more into linear sequencing instead of step sequencing that’s why i went with AKAI plus i can jam on those gorgeous pads all day long something that Deluge or Octatrack (i used to own one) doesn’t deliver..
Not sure what you mean by linear vs step. To my mind the Deluge gives the best of both worlds as it can act like a 'piano roll' and/or 'xox' style sequencer - as well as do standard recording.
True about the pads though, they're not velocity sensitive and very small so it's not the most 'playable' instrument in the world.
A question...Can you play simultaneously 2 different sounds with multiple controllers hooked to Deluge?For example a QuNeo playing the drums and a Midi keyboard a synth sound?AKAI calls it Midi Multi Mode and is one of the things that can take my band’s jams to the next level..Hopefully is on it’s way..A lot of flame as we speak from users in the AKAI forum on this one + Disk streaming..
I'm pretty sure you can do this though I have never tried it explicitly. You can 'learn' any onboard track to any external MIDI source so it should work, you're not limited to one 'master controller'. Many users want more of a 'master controller' type mode where one MIDI source controls whatever track is selected but it doesn't currently work that way.
It'll also record MIDI (including cc) from any source. Firmware updates are coming thick and fast.
My biggest bugbear with it at the moment (I'm not bothered about the FX quality, not what I bought it for) is the lack of a facility to loop a section of the arrangement similar to cycle regions in a DAW or even something as basic at the Tempest's
'loop screen'. You can only loop entire patterns but that starts to become unmanageable at 8+ bars IMO.
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Not sure what you mean by linear vs step. To my mind the Deluge gives the best of both worlds as it can act like a 'piano roll' and/or 'xox' style sequencer - as well as do standard recording.
Linear is like a DAW style unlimited steps sequencing.How many steps are available for Deluge.Octatrack for example has up to 64 steps.
I'm pretty sure you can do this though I have never tried it explicitly. You can 'learn' any onboard track to any external MIDI source so it should work, you're not limited to one 'master controller'. Many users want more of a 'master controller' type mode where one MIDI source controls whatever track is selected but it doesn't currently work that way.
Cool!So in your scenario let’s say you hoop up a master controller keyboard that has also pads onboard.Are you able to assign keys and pads to different channels in the Deluge and play them simultaneously?
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Linear is like a DAW style unlimited steps sequencing.How many steps are available for Deluge.Octatrack for example has up to 64 steps.
Unlimited
I'm pretty sure you can do this though I have never tried it explicitly. You can 'learn' any onboard track to any external MIDI source so it should work, you're not limited to one 'master controller'. Many users want more of a 'master controller' type mode where one MIDI source controls whatever track is selected but it doesn't currently work that way.
Cool!So in your scenario let’s say you hoop up a master controller keyboard that has also pads onboard.Are you able to assign keys and pads to different channels in the Deluge and play them simultaneously?
Providing the keyboard allowed the pads and keys to be assigned to different MIDI channels then I'm 99% sure the answer's 'yes'.
If they were on the same MIDI channel then the Deluge wouldn't be able to differentiate between them so you get conflicts (they'd both be controlling two channels at once). I can't see how any device would handle that though - I guess some might handle multitimbrality via note ranges but AFAIK you can't do that on the Deluge (yet).
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You’ve got me covered muleskinner!Wow cool machine!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGez_3jqgCI
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"Would be fun to make a drum machine based on this kind of technology, not that we're doing that immediately, but... "
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"Would be fun to make a drum machine based on this kind of technology, not that we're doing that immediately, but... "
;)
I like the bit just after that where he says something like 'Of course we've got lots of new stuff coming out, that's what we do'!
Rather than maintain, update and/or finish the 'old' stuff!
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"Would be fun to make a drum machine based on this kind of technology, not that we're doing that immediately, but... "
;)
I like the bit just after that where he says something like 'Of course we've got lots of new stuff coming out, that's what we do'!
Rather than maintain, update and/or finish the 'old' stuff!
If Sequential REALLY wanted to, they could fix the Tempest... I'm certain of that... it may be that the samples-chip is hard to change the samples in, but I'm sure they would have the tools to do this in house if they wanted to... and if they wanted they could just offer users to send in their Tempest, and have their chips reflashed with a sample set without any clicks in the single cycle waveforms... and if they are running out of codespace, they could rewrite the code again from the ground up, and take out a lot of those extra features that was not even meant to be in there from the time they designed the machine... i recall Linn saying that it now has more features than he would have done himself, suggesting that they simply stressed the Tempest beyond it's capabilities.
They COULD fix Tempest... but they won't... there is no profits to be gained by it, and that's probably the real reason nothing more is happening with it.
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They really should fix that apparent issue if at all possible, especially considering the Tempest is still on the market. It's not like a requested feature that's not owed, it's an inherent feature that's flat out janky.
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I’d rather see a successor to the Tempest rather then them trying to improve it. Much like they did with the P08 and likely will do with the P12.
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If we had the tools in house we would have added the feature because, lemme tell you, it was high on our list. But the reality of the chip we chose and the tradeoff of fixed part cost vs. development cost (due to lack of good tools and needing to program entirely in assembly among other things) just made it a really bad idea in the end. We learned from our mistakes and have changed our approach since, which is why the Prophet X is more solid, we have more control over the dev process now
I ended up spending vastly more time into Tempest development than was required, lots on my own after hours, and fixed numerous timing and other problems but eventually it became a battle with an underpowered chip and my own inexperience. I'm confident I can do 10x better now but that was my first time doing a complex OS on my own, honestly I'm pretty happy with how well it turned out given all the constraints we had
Just saying, try not to make assumptions, there are a lot of things behind the scenes we don't share but it doesn't mean we're only concerned about making money. This is a labor of love for us first and foremost, we are all artists and musicians here and want to see our vision come to fruition, but sometimes we shoot a bit too far, personally I'm glad we keep challenging ourselves and taking risks
"Would be fun to make a drum machine based on this kind of technology, not that we're doing that immediately, but... "
;)
I like the bit just after that where he says something like 'Of course we've got lots of new stuff coming out, that's what we do'!
Rather than maintain, update and/or finish the 'old' stuff!
If Sequential REALLY wanted to, they could fix the Tempest... I'm certain of that... it may be that the samples-chip is hard to change the samples in, but I'm sure they would have the tools to do this in house if they wanted to... and if they wanted they could just offer users to send in their Tempest, and have their chips reflashed with a sample set without any clicks in the single cycle waveforms... and if they are running out of codespace, they could rewrite the code again from the ground up, and take out a lot of those extra features that was not even meant to be in there from the time they designed the machine... i recall Linn saying that it now has more features than he would have done himself, suggesting that they simply stressed the Tempest beyond it's capabilities.
They COULD fix Tempest... but they won't... there is no profits to be gained by it, and that's probably the real reason nothing more is happening with it.
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Not too comforting to someone who just bought one new... Plus this all sounds very familiar...
https://youtu.be/_U9RpS_2RSk?t=3374
https://youtu.be/_U9RpS_2RSk?t=2658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U9RpS_2RSk
C'mon now.
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Not too comforting to someone who just bought one new... Plus this all sounds very familiar...
https://youtu.be/_U9RpS_2RSk?t=3374
https://youtu.be/_U9RpS_2RSk?t=2658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U9RpS_2RSk
C'mon now.
So sell it. One should never buy an instrument because of what they want it to be but because of what it is. If you are going to keep demanding and expecting an update for an 8 year old instrument then perhaps it’s time to move on to an MPC or Elektron product and leave the Tempest to those that are fine with it.
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Not too comforting to someone who just bought one new...
Don't worry about it. The final firmware is really robust, you just have to avoid doing certain things which for me are...
- Don't use the internal mixer (it sucks)
- Don't use it for sequencing external gear (unless you can spare a voice) and for anything but the most basic melodic sequencing internally.
It's a fantastic piece of hardware and an absolute sound design powerhouse. I still don't think there's anything on the market that really competes - it's like six DFAMs in a box and more FFS. Currently working on a videogame that has around 350 sound effects, I've designed those all from scratch on the Tempest and it's been great. It can makes kicks that'll shake the pictures off your wall and leads that'll take the top of your head off.
The thing that irritates me most is the fact you can't tweak amp envelope decay and the curve of your amp envelope in mod paths without having to constantly flip back to the mod paths screen ;)
My comment above referred not to where the Tempest is now but to the pain we had to go through to get the Tempest to its current state (and even get features that were in the manual from day one implemented). It took years and only happened because forum members started a petition and got Roger Linn behind it. I don't think there can be any denying that DSI's focus as a company at that point was very much on new stuff rather than supporting existing users and making good on their promises.
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If we had the tools in house we would have added the feature because, lemme tell you, it was high on our list. But the reality of the chip we chose and the tradeoff of fixed part cost vs. development cost (due to lack of good tools and needing to program entirely in assembly among other things) just made it a really bad idea in the end. We learned from our mistakes and have changed our approach since, which is why the Prophet X is more solid, we have more control over the dev process now
I ended up spending vastly more time into Tempest development than was required, lots on my own after hours, and fixed numerous timing and other problems but eventually it became a battle with an underpowered chip and my own inexperience. I'm confident I can do 10x better now but that was my first time doing a complex OS on my own, honestly I'm pretty happy with how well it turned out given all the constraints we had
Just saying, try not to make assumptions, there are a lot of things behind the scenes we don't share but it doesn't mean we're only concerned about making money. This is a labor of love for us first and foremost, we are all artists and musicians here and want to see our vision come to fruition, but sometimes we shoot a bit too far, personally I'm glad we keep challenging ourselves and taking risks
"Would be fun to make a drum machine based on this kind of technology, not that we're doing that immediately, but... "
;)
I like the bit just after that where he says something like 'Of course we've got lots of new stuff coming out, that's what we do'!
Rather than maintain, update and/or finish the 'old' stuff!
If Sequential REALLY wanted to, they could fix the Tempest... I'm certain of that... it may be that the samples-chip is hard to change the samples in, but I'm sure they would have the tools to do this in house if they wanted to... and if they wanted they could just offer users to send in their Tempest, and have their chips reflashed with a sample set without any clicks in the single cycle waveforms... and if they are running out of codespace, they could rewrite the code again from the ground up, and take out a lot of those extra features that was not even meant to be in there from the time they designed the machine... i recall Linn saying that it now has more features than he would have done himself, suggesting that they simply stressed the Tempest beyond it's capabilities.
They COULD fix Tempest... but they won't... there is no profits to be gained by it, and that's probably the real reason nothing more is happening with it.
If you REALLY learned the lesson I will comment on, the day you release a fully working non beta version of the PX sample import utility... It was promised for december last year, and is nowhere near completion as it is now, ... All the important velocity switching and roundrobbin functionality is missing still, and again you gave the responsibility away to third party developers to make sure you deliver what you promised...
I do like the Tempest, and it do work pretty steadfast, but it still has a few really bad bugs... A voice is stolen when using the external sequencing feature, the playlist freeze when you record live, there are bugs with the sliders and the single cycle waveforms have some really aggravating clicks, the MIDI DIN SysEx has a serious bug in it, and to me these will allways stand out as big flaws in an otherwise beautiful gem, and I do not get why you do not try and solve at least those that do not include the samples... I know the samples will never be fixed, but it still is the biggest flaw in my opinion.
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I don't think there can be any denying that DSI's focus as a company at that point was very much on new stuff rather than supporting existing users and making good on their promises.
This seems to be the modus operandi from day one, which is a shame all considering. It doesn't matter how old a product is, if it's still on shelves especially for full price (a couple grand), then its bugs should be fixed if possible. Certainly don't go around proclaiming how severely comprised it is and how good your most current product is in comparison.
All in all, I still love the thing warts and all. I knew going in what I was getting into when buying a DSI/Sequential product and how a lot of folks view the Tempest in particular. It's still like nothing else on the market.
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And because it is still unique on the market is exactly why I think that it should be fixed... we have no alternative... and I bet that is why it is not being fixed.
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If the TX does happen, I hope there's knobs for sustain & release instead of a shift function.
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I'm confident I can do 10x better now
Yes please.
Tempest 2.0 = an experienced rewrite of the firmware.
I don't get why Sequential doesn't see this as a business opportunity. Reputation management for existing users (champions of the product) and a grand rerelease for a bump in sales.
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I'm confident I can do 10x better now
Yes please.
Tempest 2.0 = an experienced rewrite of the firmware.
I don't get why Sequential doesn't see this as a business opportunity. Reputation management for existing users (champions of the product) and a grand rerelease for a bump in sales.
With the discontinuation of the P08, and more recently the P12 and the MophoX4 I think we are seeing “Phase 2” of Sequential. Looking at the Tempest, it’s interface and architecture is very similar to things like the Mophox4. Even the knobs are similar. Looking at everything from the P6 to the PX, it’s clear Sequential has evolved. Now that the Mophox4 is gone and the P12 is gone, it’s a sign that Sequential is about evolving and likely we will see the end of the Pro2 and Tempest as well. Not for a while but that’s okay. The Tempest is an amazing instrument as it stands and frankly if you can’t make it work as it is, then there’s plenty of other options on the market currently. If you want the Tempest and can accept it and embrace it for what it is, rather than what you think it should be, then you will absolutely love it and do awesome things with it. If you want to spend your time complaining constantly and demanding features and updates that never will come, instead of buying an MPC X or Elektron Analog Rytm, then you aren’t going to get much music done, let alone music done with the Tempest.
We will see another drum machine from Sequential in “Phase 2”. Won’t be for a few years, but I am confident we will. Then again...Roger Linn is working on another drum machine, and with the current MPC and Elektron Machines, maybe Sequential might not even feel the need to.
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I'm confident I can do 10x better now
Yes please.
Tempest 2.0 = an experienced rewrite of the firmware.
I don't get why Sequential doesn't see this as a business opportunity. Reputation management for existing users (champions of the product) and a grand rerelease for a bump in sales.
With the discontinuation of the P08, and more recently the P12 and the MophoX4 I think we are seeing “Phase 2” of Sequential. Looking at the Tempest, it’s interface and architecture is very similar to things like the Mophox4. Even the knobs are similar. Looking at everything from the P6 to the PX, it’s clear Sequential has evolved. Now that the Mophox4 is gone and the P12 is gone, it’s a sign that Sequential is about evolving and likely we will see the end of the Pro2 and Tempest as well. Not for a while but that’s okay. The Tempest is an amazing instrument as it stands and frankly if you can’t make it work as it is, then there’s plenty of other options on the market currently. If you want the Tempest and can accept it and embrace it for what it is, rather than what you think it should be, then you will absolutely love it and do awesome things with it. If you want to spend your time complaining constantly and demanding features and updates that never will come, instead of buying an MPC X or Elektron Analog Rytm, then you aren’t going to get much music done, let alone music done with the Tempest.
We will see another drum machine from Sequential in “Phase 2”. Won’t be for a few years, but I am confident we will. Then again...Roger Linn is working on another drum machine, and with the current MPC and Elektron Machines, maybe Sequential might not even feel the need to.
A retrospective assessment that DSI/Sequential has evolved is pretty obvious. I don't know that "Phase 2" is the right way to classify any moment in time as a clear division point though. If you look at their collection of products you can see shifts in the hardware design as well as the conceptual design as you move from one product to the next. There is no real phase to speak of, but rather a continual flow and evolution of ideas.
The Tempest is unique in that it included an outside designer with the vision and expertise to inject completely new ideas and goals into the development of a product. It is however clearly the current synth "phase" of DSI at that time melded with features of a drum machine.
In the later part of your post you get a little preachy about how one should spend their own time and how they should approach their relationship with the Tempest. I don't know that you meant that for me personally, but I will say this... The Tempest is outstanding... nothing like it. I have no problems with it's designed limitations. There are just some originally designed (and promised) capabilities it does not yet do and some flaws that are unprofessional. While I completely accept it the Tempest and love it for what it currently is, I am capable of simultaneously wanting my favorite machine to be even better. When the original developer comes to the forum and proclaims that he can do "10x better now", I'm pretty damn interested in expressing my wanting for it to be improved (completed)... while still simultaneously continuing to love it for what it currently is.
Finally, I'm definitely interested in what Roger Linn may be working on. What matters to me is expressive and intuitive live performance that is immediately recordable... being able to record rhythmic ideas with immediate control over dynamic expression as well as timbre shaping is key.
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I'm confident I can do 10x better now
Yes please.
Tempest 2.0 = an experienced rewrite of the firmware.
I don't get why Sequential doesn't see this as a business opportunity. Reputation management for existing users (champions of the product) and a grand rerelease for a bump in sales.
With the discontinuation of the P08, and more recently the P12 and the MophoX4 I think we are seeing “Phase 2” of Sequential. Looking at the Tempest, it’s interface and architecture is very similar to things like the Mophox4. Even the knobs are similar. Looking at everything from the P6 to the PX, it’s clear Sequential has evolved. Now that the Mophox4 is gone and the P12 is gone, it’s a sign that Sequential is about evolving and likely we will see the end of the Pro2 and Tempest as well. Not for a while but that’s okay. The Tempest is an amazing instrument as it stands and frankly if you can’t make it work as it is, then there’s plenty of other options on the market currently. If you want the Tempest and can accept it and embrace it for what it is, rather than what you think it should be, then you will absolutely love it and do awesome things with it. If you want to spend your time complaining constantly and demanding features and updates that never will come, instead of buying an MPC X or Elektron Analog Rytm, then you aren’t going to get much music done, let alone music done with the Tempest.
We will see another drum machine from Sequential in “Phase 2”. Won’t be for a few years, but I am confident we will. Then again...Roger Linn is working on another drum machine, and with the current MPC and Elektron Machines, maybe Sequential might not even feel the need to.
A retrospective assessment that DSI/Sequential has evolved is pretty obvious. I don't know that "Phase 2" is the right way to classify any moment in time as a clear division point though. If you look at their collection of products you can see shifts in the hardware design as well as the conceptual design as you move from one product to the next. There is no real phase to speak of, but rather a continual flow and evolution of ideas.
The Tempest is unique in that it included an outside designer with the vision and expertise to inject completely new ideas and goals into the development of a product. It is however clearly the current synth "phase" of DSI at that time melded with features of a drum machine.
In the later part of your post you get a little preachy about how one should spend their own time and how they should approach their relationship with the Tempest. I don't know that you meant that for me personally, but I will say this... The Tempest is outstanding... nothing like it. I have no problems with it's designed limitations. There are just some originally designed (and promised) capabilities it does not yet do and some flaws that are unprofessional. While I completely accept it the Tempest and love it for what it currently is, I am capable of simultaneously wanting my favorite machine to be even better. When the original developer comes to the forum and proclaims that he can do "10x better now", I'm pretty damn interested in expressing my wanting for it to be improved (completed)... while still simultaneously continuing to love it for what it currently is.
Finally, I'm definitely interested in what Roger Linn may be working on. What matters to me is expressive and intuitive live performance that is immediately recordable... being able to record rhythmic ideas with immediate control over dynamic expression as well as timbre shaping is key.
Nah, my statement wasn’t directed towards anyone. I just think it’s silly to keep asking for something Sequential said won’t be happening ever rather than just getting gear that has those features. That way they can temporarily solve their problems until if and when Sequential do another drum machine that meets their needs.
It’s much like the octave range argument on the P6 and OB6. “I must have more octaves.” “Get an external midi controller” “no”. Like a solution exists and people refuse to get it for whatever reason.
If people want more memory, sampling, multi channel external sequencing then the Tempest just isn’t for them.