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Title: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 12:10:23 PM
Here are a couple of sounds I did for the Prophet X:

https://soundcloud.com/pauldither/sets/sequential-prophet-x

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 12:22:45 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 12:37:06 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.

Thanks! And it brings back one of your favorite features: the stereo filters. On top of that you can freely pan the oscillators and instruments.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Peter K. on May 01, 2018, 12:37:53 PM
Yeah Paul, it sounds great.  Everything I'm hearing from this synth gets my heart racing.  I like that it still has a serious synthesizer side to it as well; it's not strictly a sample playback device.  It's like part Prophet 12, and like a modern version of a JD-800 and V-Synth all in one.  And they said time travel to the future was impossible! 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 12:39:26 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.

Thanks! And it brings back one of your favorite features: the stereo filters. On top of that you can freely pan the oscillators and instruments.

Beautiful.  I'd love to hear harpsichord and forte piano samples.  Again, this could be a primary tool for a composer, since it covers both worlds of traditional instruments and synthesizer.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 12:48:34 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.

Thanks! And it brings back one of your favorite features: the stereo filters. On top of that you can freely pan the oscillators and instruments.

Beautiful.  I'd love to hear harpsichord and forte piano samples.  Again, this could be a primary tool for a composer, since it covers both worlds of traditional instruments and synthesizer.

There's a not too heavily mangled piano sound in examples 9 and 10, only processed by the effects. Example 1 contains a backwards played chopped sample loop of a piano that is position-modulated.

Beautiful.  I'd love to hear harpsichord and forte piano samples.  Again, this could be a primary tool for a composer, since it covers both worlds of traditional instruments and synthesizer.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 12:52:01 PM
From the specs it looks like the synth side of things is a bit basic in terms of the Waveshapes...I take it no P12 or VS waves?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 12:53:54 PM
From the specs it looks like the synth side of things is a bit basic in terms of the Waveshapes...I take it no P12 or VS waves?

No. The waveshapes for the oscillators are: sine, saw, pulse, and super saw, all waveshape modulatable.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
From the specs it looks like the synth side of things is a bit basic in terms of the Waveshapes...I take it no P12 or VS waves?

No. The waveshapes for the oscillators are: sine, saw, pulse, and super saw, all waveshape modulatable.

Darn, well that's alright that sort of cements the Prophet 12 as still being needed....until next year that is when they do a new VS ;)

Who knows though, maybe we might get them for future updates.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
From the specs it looks like the synth side of things is a bit basic in terms of the Waveshapes...I take it no P12 or VS waves?

No. The waveshapes for the oscillators are: sine, saw, pulse, and super saw, all waveshape modulatable.

Darn, well that's alright that sort of cements the Prophet 12 as still being needed....until next year that is when they do a new VS ;)

Who knows though, maybe we might get them for future updates.

Nope, as there are already buttons assigned that allow for the selection of each particular waveform. The Prophet 12 remains it's own thing and is not related to the Prophet X in the sense that the Prophet X could be perceived as its successor. Both are entirely different synths for different purposes that also sound different.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 01:03:50 PM
I like that!  Very smart on DSI's part.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 01:12:11 PM
Agreed actually. One synth at a time. Maybe the next DSI synth will have the VS waves and what not...but until then the Prophet X is in my sights.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 01:14:42 PM
With a sampling instrument now finally in the DSI line up, perhaps the possibility of a VS/PEK-type hybrid instrument is a tad more likely.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 01:18:55 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.

Thanks! And it brings back one of your favorite features: the stereo filters. On top of that you can freely pan the oscillators and instruments.

Beautiful.  I'd love to hear harpsichord and forte piano samples.  Again, this could be a primary tool for a composer, since it covers both worlds of traditional instruments and synthesizer.

There's a not too heavily mangled piano sound in examples 9 and 10, only processed by the effects. Example 1 contains a backwards played chopped sample loop of a piano that is position-modulated.

It will come down to hearing the whole assortment of sampled sounds.  It will certainly include a large number of things bizarre - that's the nature of the field.  But how many traditional instruments will be included?  That's my concern for now.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 01:32:56 PM
Quite nice, Paul.  The PX seems like it could be a composer's favorite tool.

Thanks! And it brings back one of your favorite features: the stereo filters. On top of that you can freely pan the oscillators and instruments.

Beautiful.  I'd love to hear harpsichord and forte piano samples.  Again, this could be a primary tool for a composer, since it covers both worlds of traditional instruments and synthesizer.

There's a not too heavily mangled piano sound in examples 9 and 10, only processed by the effects. Example 1 contains a backwards played chopped sample loop of a piano that is position-modulated.

It will come down to hearing the whole assortment of sampled sounds.  It will certainly include a large number of things bizarre - that's the nature of the field.  But how many traditional instruments will be included?  That's my concern for now.

There are quite a lot of pianos (acoustic and electric) and orchestral instruments, form strings to brass ensembles and solo instruments.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 01, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Ah exciting times. This will make my S5000 obsolete  :) (though the S5000 has a lot more polyphony, but no analog filters/effects on board).

Can it also do FM between the oscillators and possible oscillators and instruments?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 01:37:39 PM
Again, it's harpsichord that first interests me, and second, forte piano.  But this all sounds very hopeful. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Again, it's harpsichord that first interests me, and second, forte piano.  But this all sounds very hopeful.

8DIO offer a variety of samples, so they could possibly make a sound set like this available.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 01:48:19 PM
Actually the VS waves are included on the sample side. :) DSI just confirmed and I just recovered from a fainting spell.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 01:48:30 PM
Ah exciting times. This will make my S5000 obsolete  :) (though the S5000 has a lot more polyphony, but no analog filters/effects on board).

Can it also do FM between the oscillators and possible oscillators and instruments?

The oscillators and instruments can be modulation sources. And oscillator and instrument pitches are modulation destinations. And you can also use both to frequency modulate the filter.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Actually the VS waves are included on the sample side. :) DSI just confirmed and I just recovered from a fainting spell.

Unbelievable!  You should be one happy man today, LoboLives

Does this mean we have a new Poly Evolver Keyboard - at least, pretty close to one?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 01, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
Ah exciting times. This will make my S5000 obsolete  :) (though the S5000 has a lot more polyphony, but no analog filters/effects on board).

Can it also do FM between the oscillators and possible oscillators and instruments?

The oscillators and instruments can be modulation sources. And oscillator and instrument pitches are modulation destinations. And you can also use both to frequency modulate the filter.
Would FM be possible like that, I mean something like oscillator 1 modulating pitch of oscillator 2 or even picth of one of the instruments?

I presume as this is all in the digital domain yet, this could be done (like on the Evolver).
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jazzygb1 on May 01, 2018, 02:14:21 PM
So just to check I'm reading this right...
This is a TWO oscillator synth, that allows you to use either DSP based oscillators wave shapes or sample based ones.
It not 2 DSP oscillators PLUS 2 sample based per voice (i.e there's not 4 oscillators per voice).
if I'm reading that correctly that's a real shame - as is the strange choice of polyphony. 8 in stereo but 16 in mono.
This was so close to being a monster.
Instead it seems a nice synth but not the 'killer' daddy synth I was hoping for.
Still - I suppose it keeps my Prophet 12 relevant and still unique in the DSI range which is fine by me! :)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 02:16:05 PM
Ah exciting times. This will make my S5000 obsolete  :) (though the S5000 has a lot more polyphony, but no analog filters/effects on board).

Can it also do FM between the oscillators and possible oscillators and instruments?

The oscillators and instruments can be modulation sources. And oscillator and instrument pitches are modulation destinations. And you can also use both to frequency modulate the filter.
Would FM be possible like that, I mean something like oscillator 1 modulating pitch of oscillator 2 or even picth of one of the instruments?

I presume as this is all in the digital domain yet, this could be done (like on the Evolver).

Yeah, you have all the necessary sources and destinations in the mod matrix. Consider that the filter frequency is a modulation destination as well. So you can, for example, have a sample modulate the filter frequency.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 02:17:08 PM
So just to check I'm reading this right...
This is a TWO oscillator synth, that allows you to use either DSP based oscillators wave shapes or sample based ones.
It not 2 DSP oscillators PLUS 2 sample based per voice (i.e there's not 4 oscillators per voice).
if I'm reading that correctly that's a real shame - as is the strange choice of polyphony. 8 in stereo but 16 in mono.
This was so close to being a monster.
Instead it seems a nice synth but not the 'killer' daddy synth I was hoping for.
Still - I suppose it keeps my Prophet 12 relevant and still unique in the DSI range which is fine by me! :)

You read that wrong. Per voice you get 2 samples and 2 oscillators. And they all can be panned individually.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 01, 2018, 02:18:36 PM
So just to check I'm reading this right...
This is a TWO oscillator synth, that allows you to use either DSP based oscillators wave shapes or sample based ones.
It not 2 DSP oscillators PLUS 2 sample based per voice (i.e there's not 4 oscillators per voice).
if I'm reading that correctly that's a real shame - as is the strange choice of polyphony. 8 in stereo but 16 in mono.
This was so close to being a monster.
Instead it seems a nice synth but not the 'killer' daddy synth I was hoping for.
Still - I suppose it keeps my Prophet 12 relevant and still unique in the DSI range which is fine by me! :)
That is not how I understand the specs:
Please correct me if I am.

Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Robot Heart on May 01, 2018, 02:21:49 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: rel-fi on May 01, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
This thing sounds amazing - great work! For future expansion, will the sample library import feature be limited to certain formats (Kontakt, EXS, Soundfont, Akai, etc.)?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 01, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
If the Prophet X's samples include all of the VS/PEK digital wave shapes, are those wave shapes cleaned up, filled with the original aliasing, or is this variable by the user?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 01, 2018, 02:30:17 PM
If the Prophet X's samples include all of the VS/PEK digital wave shapes, are those wave shapes cleaned up, filled with the original aliasing, or is this variable by the user?

There's a bit crusher and a decimate effect, so one can mess up the samples to one's delight.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 01, 2018, 02:32:37 PM
Lovely sounds, Paul, DSI. Well done!
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sleep of Reason on May 01, 2018, 03:37:39 PM
are those wave shapes cleaned up

I would assume they're not or there's the option as you mentioned. It would kinda defeat the purpose otherwise.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 04:05:05 PM
Actually the VS waves are included on the sample side. :) DSI just confirmed and I just recovered from a fainting spell.

Unbelievable!  You should be one happy man today, LoboLives

Does this mean we have a new Poly Evolver Keyboard - at least, pretty close to one?

I would say the approach is totally different.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 01, 2018, 04:08:03 PM
Does it have acoustic and electric guitar and bass sounds?

How are the choir sounds?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jazzygb1 on May 01, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
So just to check I'm reading this right...
This is a TWO oscillator synth, that allows you to use either DSP based oscillators wave shapes or sample based ones.
It not 2 DSP oscillators PLUS 2 sample based per voice (i.e there's not 4 oscillators per voice).
if I'm reading that correctly that's a real shame - as is the strange choice of polyphony. 8 in stereo but 16 in mono.
This was so close to being a monster.
Instead it seems a nice synth but not the 'killer' daddy synth I was hoping for.
Still - I suppose it keeps my Prophet 12 relevant and still unique in the DSI range which is fine by me! :)
That is not how I understand the specs:
  • 2 multi-sampled stereo instruments per voice
  • 2 digital oscillators per voice
Please correct me if I am.


Ah okay, so that means a voice can be made up of FOUR oscillators (2 DSP and 2 samples) - is that right?


It's just that in Dave Smith's own blurb the describe it as a two oscillator synth (see link below).


https://2048ln27dggo3horm847q86q-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/DSI-Synth-Comparison-Chart-4.4.pdf

Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: DavidDever on May 01, 2018, 06:39:56 PM
So just to check I'm reading this right...
This is a TWO oscillator synth, that allows you to use either DSP based oscillators wave shapes or sample based ones.
It not 2 DSP oscillators PLUS 2 sample based per voice (i.e there's not 4 oscillators per voice).
if I'm reading that correctly that's a real shame - as is the strange choice of polyphony. 8 in stereo but 16 in mono.
This was so close to being a monster.
Instead it seems a nice synth but not the 'killer' daddy synth I was hoping for.
Still - I suppose it keeps my Prophet 12 relevant and still unique in the DSI range which is fine by me! :)
That is not how I understand the specs:
  • 2 multi-sampled stereo instruments per voice
  • 2 digital oscillators per voice
Please correct me if I am.


Ah okay, so that means a voice can be made up of FOUR oscillators (2 DSP and 2 samples) - is that right?


It's just that in Dave Smith's own blurb the describe it as a two oscillator synth (see link below).


https://2048ln27dggo3horm847q86q-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/DSI-Synth-Comparison-Chart-4.4.pdf

Each oscillator (similar but not same as Prophet-12 / Pro-2) is mono: 2x
Each instrument is stereo and can bypass the filters: 2x stereo?

There are 16 filters, assembled in stereo pairs (8x) or mono instances (16x)

I'm guessing (but not certain) that there exists a maximum number of voices (16 mono / 8 stereo), but maybe it's possible to run 16 mono pairs of oscs (through the filters) aside sixteen mono (or stereo) instruments (bypassing the filters)?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: BobTheDog on May 02, 2018, 12:52:31 AM
Some good stuff there Paul.

I keep hearing the wavestation in some of your clips and also other demos, something about the sound. Or is it just me?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 02, 2018, 07:59:44 PM
If the Prophet X's samples include all of the VS/PEK digital wave shapes, are those wave shapes cleaned up, filled with the original aliasing, or is this variable by the user?

There's a bit crusher and a decimate effect, so one can mess up the samples to one's delight.

But those are not the same as the Evolver's inherent aliasing.  As you know, the Evolver's sparkling aliasing is one of its distinctive traits.  I was wondering if the PX could emulate this in an exact way.  It would require, of course, that each wave shape be sampled throughout its entire range, since the aliasing behaves differently, depending on the pitch of a note, as well as the cut off frequency setting.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 03, 2018, 01:05:16 AM
Very nice demo of some patches (20+ minutes) by Inhaltvideo:

https://youtu.be/bsfogjhNRmw

I am a bit breathless, calling the X cinematic is an understatement..........
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 04:13:38 AM
Very nice demo of some patches (20+ minutes) by Inhaltvideo:

https://youtu.be/bsfogjhNRmw

I am a bit breathless, calling the X cinematic is an understatement..........

Some really gorgeous sounds on there. I think for me personally I'm likely never really going to use the oscillators at all but man there are some really great sounds in that video. Loving the choir and the ethnic sounds. Can easily do film soundtracks on this thing no problem and the ease of programming and manipulating the samples is going to be so beneficial as opposed to sitting at my Kurzweil and spending hours programming V.A.S.T.

You know I was watching a Reverb video discussing the music for Twin Peaks. While the music was composed in a classical manner on a Fender Rhodes it was actually recorded using synths like Emulator II, the DX7, Super Jupiter. It is described:

"You have classic composition and arrangement techniques transformed by playing them through what was cutting edge technology and instruments of the day. You bring this technique and this technology together and you end up with something that is both familiar but also new and otherwordly."

That statement to me, while not about the instrument in question, really defined what the Prophet X was about. Writing classical or jazz pieces on the sounds of a piano, choir, strings, brass or ethnic sounds but then suddenly manipulating those sounds with the hands on sculpting approach of analog synthesis. You can now get the expressiveness of articulations that these traditional instruments are capable of without having to spend hours menu diving but then you can go beyond what these traditional sounds are capable of and create completely new sounds.



Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 03, 2018, 05:25:45 AM
Nick has beaten all the others with a first Superbooth review:

https://youtu.be/AoFqUcHJgOA

I love the enthusiasm and sparkle  :) The X seems to be a truly inspired instrument.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 05:30:52 AM
Nick has beaten all the others with a first Superbooth review:

https://youtu.be/AoFqUcHJgOA

I love the enthusiasm and sparkle  :) The X seems to be a truly inspired instrument.

I do wish they included backwards and forwards cursors for going between presets. I know the playlist function is going to help but still I'd rather be able to switch between patches and not worry about accidentally turning the scroll dial too much.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 03, 2018, 06:02:38 AM
Nick has beaten all the others with a first Superbooth review:

https://youtu.be/AoFqUcHJgOA

I love the enthusiasm and sparkle  :) The X seems to be a truly inspired instrument.

I do wish they included backwards and forwards cursors for going between presets. I know the playlist function is going to help but still I'd rather be able to switch between patches and not worry about accidentally turning the scroll dial too much.
Patch selection for both layers looks very similar to the Rev2. Sample selection is done using "Style" grouping.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 06:34:14 AM
Nick has beaten all the others with a first Superbooth review:

https://youtu.be/AoFqUcHJgOA

I love the enthusiasm and sparkle  :) The X seems to be a truly inspired instrument.

I do wish they included backwards and forwards cursors for going between presets. I know the playlist function is going to help but still I'd rather be able to switch between patches and not worry about accidentally turning the scroll dial too much.
Patch selection for both layers looks very similar to the Rev2. Sample selection is done using "Style" grouping.

Yeah I hated that about the REV2. It's annoying when you are trying to change patches on the fly.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: BobTheDog on May 03, 2018, 10:50:31 AM
I was a bit sceptical to begin with on this but after listening to all the stuff that is appearing I really like the sound of this synth, I am beginning to think my PEK and P12 might have to go on Ebay to fund this :( :)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: BobTheDog on May 03, 2018, 10:53:22 AM
Nick has beaten all the others with a first Superbooth review:

https://youtu.be/AoFqUcHJgOA

I love the enthusiasm and sparkle  :) The X seems to be a truly inspired instrument.

Nice to see Sequentix has the stand next to DSI.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: extempo on May 03, 2018, 11:07:44 AM
I do wish they included backwards and forwards cursors for going between presets. I know the playlist function is going to help but still I'd rather be able to switch between patches and not worry about accidentally turning the scroll dial too much.
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The Prophet X features dedicated Increment/Decrement buttons for patch selection, as well as the Program encoder.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 03, 2018, 11:23:31 AM
I was a bit skeptical to begin with on this, but after listening to all the stuff that is appearing I really like the sound of this synth; I am beginning to think my PEK and P12 might have to go on Ebay to fund this :( :)

Honestly, Bob, I do think this is an over-reaction.  If you'd prefer to have everything squeezed into one portable keyboard instrument, then I can understand your feelings.  But appreciate that we repeatedly say this when a new instrument appears; suddenly, all the others fade into the background as the NEW and PERFECT instrument shines. 

My gut feeling - and more - is that the PX can adequately replace neither the Poly Evolver Keyboard nor the Prophet 12, just as it was only slowly admitted around here years ago that the P12 could not really replace the PEK.  If the distinctive characteristics of those two instruments mean something to you, then be careful.  I'm sure the PX will be able to somewhat emulate them, but only somewhat, not perfectly.  The "everything under the hood" approach often results in a rather generic sound. 

 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 12:04:20 PM
I do wish they included backwards and forwards cursors for going between presets. I know the playlist function is going to help but still I'd rather be able to switch between patches and not worry about accidentally turning the scroll dial too much.

The Prophet X features dedicated Increment/Decrement buttons for patch selection, as well as the Program encoder.
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REALLY! WOW!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAHOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 12:26:07 PM
I was a bit skeptical to begin with on this, but after listening to all the stuff that is appearing I really like the sound of this synth; I am beginning to think my PEK and P12 might have to go on Ebay to fund this :( :)

Honestly, I do think this is an over-reaction.  If you'd prefer to have everything squeezed into one portable keyboard instrument, then I can understand your feelings.  But appreciate that we repeatedly say this when a new instrument appears; suddenly, all the others fade into the background as the NEW and PERFECT instrument shines. 

My gut feeling - and more - is that the PX can adequately replace neither the Poly Evolver Keyboard nor the Prophet 12, just as it was only slowly admitted around here years ago that the P12 could not really replace the PEK.  If the distinctive characteristics of those two instruments mean something to you, then be careful.  I'm sure the PX will be able to somewhat emulate them, but only somewhat, not perfectly.  The "everything under the hood" approach often results in a rather generic sound.

and a lot of menu diving. Each of DSI synths is totally different from one another...well not that much difference with the P6 and OB6 but regardless....the PX is a totally different approach and mindset for the PEK and P12. Each has it's own identity and I do firmly believe that the next DSI synth will focus on the VS side of things. Just as this is sort of a Prophet 2000 on steroids we will see a Prophet VS on steroids as well.

Is the Prophet X everything I hoped for? Yes and no, I do wish they would have had only had samples instead of oscillators and I do wish it was at least 4 part multitimbral but even still...it's a step in the right direction for DSI and regardless of price or how many people purchase it, this and to some extent the Quantum may indeed inspire other synth manufactures to look into doing sampler synths.

I've decided i'm going to wait and see what instruction videos follow and sound demos people come out with and I'll make my decision. It took a long time for me to justify the Oberheim Two Voice Pro and this is just as expensive so I want to make sure it's not an impulse purchase....but so far it's winning me over.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 03, 2018, 12:43:15 PM
I do firmly believe that the next DSI synth will focus on the VS side of things.

I agree with this.  And I also agree, LoboLives, that you should take a more cautious wait-and-see approach to the Prophet X.  $4,000 is a lot of money to mis-allocate.  It may be nearly the perfect instrument for you, or it may not be.  There's plenty of time to find out for certain.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 12:51:38 PM
I do firmly believe that the next DSI synth will focus on the VS side of things.

I agree with this.  And I also agree, LoboLives, that you should take a more cautious wait-and-see approach to the Prophet X.  $4,000 is a lot of money to mis-allocate.  It may be nearly the perfect instrument for you, or it may not be.  There's plenty of time to find out for certain.

Right. I have to way out, can I get the sounds I'm looking for from a Kurzweil...or could I get an second hand Nord Wave for my sampling needs and survive it it. Even still the Prophet X is mind blowing and compared to the Quantum a lot more approachable from the get go as opposed to trying to figure out menus and modes.

I actually recently decided that as far as guitars go, boutique amps and guitars are fantastic but can I survive with my American Strat and an Adrenalinn iii direct to the board? So far, the answer is yes....a $4000-5000 Anderson guitar and $3000 Carr amp are more "nice to haves". But at the end of the day, both an electric guitar and amp are going to have a lot less versatility than a synthesizer. Same with $3000-4000 for digital Hammonds or Pianos...is one sound really worth that much money or is it better to have a plethora of sounds for that amount?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: chysn on May 03, 2018, 05:33:35 PM
is one sound really worth that much money or is it better to have a plethora of sounds for that amount?

If this isn't a rhetorical question, I'd have to go with the plethora. To twist the famous line from an old folk tale: Be cautious, be cautious... but not too cautious. To put it another way: Where is fancy bred? The heart, not even close. To put it another way: Buy it!

If Sacred Synthesis is the guy with the halo sitting on your right shoulder, he can wave across at me on the other end. :)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 03, 2018, 06:21:21 PM
is one sound really worth that much money or is it better to have a plethora of sounds for that amount?

If this isn't a rhetorical question, I'd have to go with the plethora. To twist the famous line from an old folk tale: Be cautious, be cautious... but not too cautious. To put it another way: Where is fancy bred? The heart, not even close. To put it another way: Buy it!

If Sacred Synthesis is the guy with the halo sitting on your right shoulder, he can wave across at me on the other end. :)

Lol Iíll probably end up with a System 88 DotCom modular, Deckards Dream And Prophet X by the end of the year cause of this forum haha.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 03, 2018, 07:49:09 PM
is one sound really worth that much money or is it better to have a plethora of sounds for that amount?

If this isn't a rhetorical question, I'd have to go with the plethora. To twist the famous line from an old folk tale: Be cautious, be cautious... but not too cautious. To put it another way: Where is fancy bred? The heart, not even close. To put it another way: Buy it!

If Sacred Synthesis is the guy with the halo sitting on your right shoulder, he can wave across at me on the other end. :)

Ah, Chysn, we've had this exact same disagreement before, and it was even over LoboLives and the Oberheim Two-Voice Pro.  All I'm saying - again - is that a musician should use their money wisely and choose their instrument prudently.  Art need not be a hedonistic plunge into irrational and purely subjective behavior, nor is it made any better by it.  It is only helped by the intellect and judicious, rather than impulsive, decisions.  That's my personal advice - take it or leave it.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 03, 2018, 09:22:07 PM
It's an interesting shift- DSI with a sample player and associated with a library of huge samples.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 03, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
My understanding of this instrument is that it will have samples, not only of traditional instruments like piano and strings, not only the usual sound effects, but also samples of other classic synthesizers, including the Prophet 5.  How expansive will this be?  How many other synthesizers will be included?  A few, or many?  It's a shocking concept, and I'm not even sure if I like it. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: BobTheDog on May 03, 2018, 11:38:04 PM
I was a bit skeptical to begin with on this, but after listening to all the stuff that is appearing I really like the sound of this synth; I am beginning to think my PEK and P12 might have to go on Ebay to fund this :( :)

Honestly, Bob, I do think this is an over-reaction.  If you'd prefer to have everything squeezed into one portable keyboard instrument, then I can understand your feelings.  But appreciate that we repeatedly say this when a new instrument appears; suddenly, all the others fade into the background as the NEW and PERFECT instrument shines. 

My gut feeling - and more - is that the PX can adequately replace neither the Poly Evolver Keyboard nor the Prophet 12, just as it was only slowly admitted around here years ago that the P12 could not really replace the PEK.  If the distinctive characteristics of those two instruments mean something to you, then be careful.  I'm sure the PX will be able to somewhat emulate them, but only somewhat, not perfectly.  The "everything under the hood" approach often results in a rather generic sound.

You are of course totally correct.

The thing is I haven't turned on the PEK for over a year, it isn't even wired up. The P12 (and P2) haven't been used since I messed up the motherboards, I have not even put the replaced motherboards back in yet. This is also over a year.

There is also a load of other kit I don't use, it all needs to go really. The only thing holding me back is the hassle of selling it all.

So the real questionIf I got an X is will be used or just go the same way?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on May 04, 2018, 12:26:51 AM
It sounds like you've either lost interest, or else, you need an instrument that especially inspires you.  Personally, I find that too much stuff really wears me out.  There's nothing like a simple, clean, and minimal set up.  But when everything is hooked up, sometimes I'm annoyed even by having to turn on so many pieces in order to sit down and play. 

Maybe you do need just one magnificent instrument like the Prophet X, and then to leave it at that.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Gerry Havinga on May 04, 2018, 01:50:34 AM
I was a bit skeptical to begin with on this, but after listening to all the stuff that is appearing I really like the sound of this synth; I am beginning to think my PEK and P12 might have to go on Ebay to fund this :( :)

Honestly, Bob, I do think this is an over-reaction.  If you'd prefer to have everything squeezed into one portable keyboard instrument, then I can understand your feelings.  But appreciate that we repeatedly say this when a new instrument appears; suddenly, all the others fade into the background as the NEW and PERFECT instrument shines. 

My gut feeling - and more - is that the PX can adequately replace neither the Poly Evolver Keyboard nor the Prophet 12, just as it was only slowly admitted around here years ago that the P12 could not really replace the PEK.  If the distinctive characteristics of those two instruments mean something to you, then be careful.  I'm sure the PX will be able to somewhat emulate them, but only somewhat, not perfectly.  The "everything under the hood" approach often results in a rather generic sound.

You are of course totally correct.

The thing is I haven't turned on the PEK for over a year, it isn't even wired up. The P12 (and P2) haven't been used since I messed up the motherboards, I have not even put the replaced motherboards back in yet. This is also over a year.

There is also a load of other kit I don't use, it all needs to go really. The only thing holding me back is the hassle of selling it all.

So the real questionIf I got an X is will be used or just go the same way?
Ah I can smell a deal here ;-). I didn't follow Sacred's advice and bought a second hand Evolver Desktop anyway, upgraded it and replaced the buttons and I totally love it. So a second hand PEK ....... I am all in. Where do you live (I am in the Netherlands).

No offence Sacred ;-) I totally agree with your more practical approach. I have been investigating the best sequencer for my studio for more than 6 months now and still haven't made a decision. But I nailed down the possible candidates.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: BobTheDog on May 04, 2018, 11:07:35 AM
It sounds like you've either lost interest, or else, you need an instrument that especially inspires you.  Personally, I find that too much stuff really wears me out.  There's nothing like a simple, clean, and minimal set up.  But when everything is hooked up, sometimes I'm annoyed even by having to turn on so many pieces in order to sit down and play. 

Maybe you do need just one magnificent instrument like the Prophet X, and then to leave it at that.

I think really I probably already have it all covered, my one magnificent instrument would be the Kronos/Omnisphere/Keyscape, I also use the MatrixBrute, Nord G2. Minibute 2S/Eurorack, Organelle and Origin. I have started using the MPC Live for knocking things up as well rather than a DAW as I am sick of them.

I think really I could live with those and get rid of everything else, I thought the X looked appealing and it was new but realistically I don't need it at all.

Definitely talked out of it :)

Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: chysn on May 04, 2018, 12:19:09 PM
If Sacred Synthesis is the guy with the halo sitting on your right shoulder, he can wave across at me on the other end. :)

Ah, Chysn, we've had this exact same disagreement before, and it was even over LoboLives and the Oberheim Two-Voice Pro.  All I'm saying - again - is that a musician should use their money wisely and choose their instrument prudently.  Art need not be a hedonistic plunge into irrational and purely subjective behavior, nor is it made any better by it.  It is only helped by the intellect and judicious, rather than impulsive, decisions.  That's my personal advice - take it or leave it.

Woah... yeah, you're right. Hopefully my counsel can be more nuanced than "Don't Think! Buy!" I myself am an avid researcher. I myself, having four kids, must be wise with my synth money*. But I've found that, for me, paralysis can set in if I don't give myself permission to find an alternate decision criterion beyond hard facts. Hedonism is more like a tie-breaker.

* I recognize how ridiculously dripping with first-world privilege this sentence is. Let's let that go for now.

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My understanding of this instrument is that it will have samples, not only of traditional instruments like piano and strings, not only the usual sound effects, but also samples of other classic synthesizers, including the Prophet 5.  How expansive will this be?  How many other synthesizers will be included?  A few, or many?  It's a shocking concept, and I'm not even sure if I like it.

150GB is a huge chunk of memory. If I didn't screw up the math, it's well over 150 hours of 24-bit stereo 44.1K linear PCM wave data. I'm sure there's plenty of multi-sampling and probably velocity-switched sampling, but it should still be one hell of a library, covering a lot of ground. I can't imagine that it comes totally full. I don't know.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 05, 2018, 10:53:42 PM
If Sacred Synthesis is the guy with the halo sitting on your right shoulder, he can wave across at me on the other end. :)

Ah, Chysn, we've had this exact same disagreement before, and it was even over LoboLives and the Oberheim Two-Voice Pro.  All I'm saying - again - is that a musician should use their money wisely and choose their instrument prudently.  Art need not be a hedonistic plunge into irrational and purely subjective behavior, nor is it made any better by it.  It is only helped by the intellect and judicious, rather than impulsive, decisions.  That's my personal advice - take it or leave it.

Woah... yeah, you're right. Hopefully my counsel can be more nuanced than "Don't Think! Buy!" I myself am an avid researcher. I myself, having four kids, must be wise with my synth money*. But I've found that, for me, paralysis can set in if I don't give myself permission to find an alternate decision criterion beyond hard facts. Hedonism is more like a tie-breaker.

* I recognize how ridiculously dripping with first-world privilege this sentence is. Let's let that go for now.

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My understanding of this instrument is that it will have samples, not only of traditional instruments like piano and strings, not only the usual sound effects, but also samples of other classic synthesizers, including the Prophet 5.  How expansive will this be?  How many other synthesizers will be included?  A few, or many?  It's a shocking concept, and I'm not even sure if I like it.

150GB is a huge chunk of memory. If I didn't screw up the math, it's well over 150 hours of 24-bit stereo 44.1K linear PCM wave data. I'm sure there's plenty of multi-sampling and probably velocity-switched sampling, but it should still be one hell of a library, covering a lot of ground. I can't imagine that it comes totally full. I don't know.

Itíll be 150GB Of already loaded samples and 50GB of blank space for user samples.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 05, 2018, 11:05:42 PM
I do have to say though the presets and demos have really been poor to my ears. Not in terms of sound quality but it seems like there is a lot of focus on noisy sounds, turning the samples into something unrecognizable and a lot of focus on the synth engine as well. I donít think itís really doing a service to the Prophet X. Maybe itís better to let the quality of the samples speak and do slight manipulations to them. A Steinway layered with a VS or FM piano, a sampled choir being modulated slowly with an LFO, a sampled string section layered with a squarewave string pad through a rotary speaker effect.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dslsynth on May 07, 2018, 01:01:20 AM
The thing is I haven't turned on the PEK for over a year, it isn't even wired up. The P12 (and P2) haven't been used since I messed up the motherboards, I have not even put the replaced motherboards back in yet. This is also over a year.

I see your point. But please consider taking your time as getting a new PEK are going to be an expensive exercise. Well researched gear reconfigurations are simply the best way to proceed even if having plenty of money.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 07, 2018, 02:38:23 AM
I'm enjoying this thread's familiar side trip. ... After quickly grasping what the new instrument is, I'm in the next phase where I am:
- reminding myself of my primary goals, and that I've got what I need to support it. And for me, an instrument exchange not only doesn't add, but it will detract from my consciously stated goals.
- As I am grossly enthralled by what I learned of the new instrument, I will look to pursue some of those process & net-result paths with my current instrument set.
- With caution, I may enjoy reading & discussing the implications of this wonderful new instrument.

I'll admit it's kind of hard. Just today, I tried to explore some of the sample playing-manipulation of my sample player. It's hard getting a taste of what I know the X can do, and that I can't do it with my traditional sample player. That said- I got such amazing results which happened to build off an abandoned project that was, perhaps ironically, propelled by a deep want for a polyphonic analog. My particular sample player is like a big, big, big, big city. Whereas the DSI boards are like a nice sized walkable, vibrant small city.

Managing restraint appropriately  can surely be challenging.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 07, 2018, 05:32:00 AM
Honestly the more I hear these presets demonstrated the more I want to cry. Why are so many of them not allowing the samples to breath? There seems to be a lot of focus on decimating or bit crushing the samples to the point of noisy industrial type sounds and there seems to be a lot of focus on the synth engine as well. I feel like the demos and presets really have done a disservice to showcasing what this thing can do. I understand in most cases presets are awful but these are just downright ugly sounding. Ugh, I wish DSI contacted me about doing some patches for the thing.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 07, 2018, 08:45:08 AM
Probably to effectively demonstrate its capability, which is different from style. And to communicate its intention from top-to-bottom.

Focus on its makeup. Based on what you have, imagine what you can do with it. What's interesting about this instance is it requires experience with synthesis and manipulating samples to have a tangible sense for imagining its capabilities.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 07, 2018, 09:50:18 AM
Probably to effectively demonstrate its capability, which is different from style. And to communicate its intention from top-to-bottom.

Focus on its makeup. Based on what you have, imagine what you can do with it. What's interesting about this instance is it requires experience with synthesis and manipulating samples to have a tangible sense for imagining its capabilities.

Oh I understand what they are trying to showcase but it just seems like the majority of presets I hear and the majority of sounds demonstrated just sounds like aliens in a bathroom. Itís cool and all but it doesnít showcase the synth well at all and frankly I think a lot of the negative reactions on YouTube videos for this thing are due to people being subjected to extreme modulation capabilities rather than anything of style like you said.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 08, 2018, 04:42:42 AM
Honestly the more I hear these presets demonstrated the more I want to cry. Why are so many of them not allowing the samples to breath? There seems to be a lot of focus on decimating or bit crushing the samples to the point of noisy industrial type sounds and there seems to be a lot of focus on the synth engine as well. I feel like the demos and presets really have done a disservice to showcasing what this thing can do. I understand in most cases presets are awful but these are just downright ugly sounding. Ugh, I wish DSI contacted me about doing some patches for the thing.

I think that's a pretty harsh assessment, which I don't even mean in a defensive sense due to having been involved in the process. I do get that you'd prefer to listen to some sample-only content that's only slightly processed at best, be it out of curiosity, be it due to personal preferences. And that is absolutely fine. But also consider that it's almost impossible to please everyone with presets. There are currently 3 goups of people: One would like to hear what you want, another one wants exactly the opposite (only oscillator-based sounds without any samples), yet another one wants only hardcore-mangled sounds because they think everything they've heard so far is not experimental or granular enough or too tame. Taking that into account, I'd say that the current presets provide a rather good compromise to hold these different interests together.

And there are also always mandatory rules for sound design, which pretty much write themselves based on an instrument's features: For potential customers all controllers like AT, mod wheel, and touch sliders obviously have to have an effect, most of the effects need to be showcased in some shape or form, particularly new ones if there are any (which of course doesn't mean pushing it to 11 all the time), the sequencer needs to play something if there is any, and the general philosophy behind the instrument has to be communicated, i.e. in this case that this is a synth and a sample playback instrument with sample manipulation options. Those are just self-evident preconditions that need to be catered to for any existing synth out there before you even start to think about a particular sound. Presets are not only supposed to sound cool (strictly subjective of course), but also carry the function of showcasing an instrument and all or most of its possibilities. You should also consider thatóas usualóit'll be up to you to eventually create the stuff you like with this instrument.

And on a personal note: There are at least 3 presets in my playlist that pretty much fit your desription above. One is a rather pure Rhodes sound with only additional effects that are dialed in via the touch sliders and mod wheel (phaser, delay, and tremolo), "Fashion Magazine" also only makes use of non-mangled samples, same as the tongue-in-cheek "Chill, Dude!", and even the last track uses mostly EMS-based synth samples, where only a sine wave takes over the role of a supporting sub oscillator. Whether those examples fit your personal style is another story, but there are quite a few sounds from everyone that only make sparse use of the oscillators, or use them in a rather supportive manner and not as the main tone generators. The problem may be that you cannot always hear that, or that you can only know this if you actually see how the according sounds have been made.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 08, 2018, 09:46:41 AM
Honestly the more I hear these presets demonstrated the more I want to cry. Why are so many of them not allowing the samples to breath? There seems to be a lot of focus on decimating or bit crushing the samples to the point of noisy industrial type sounds and there seems to be a lot of focus on the synth engine as well. I feel like the demos and presets really have done a disservice to showcasing what this thing can do. I understand in most cases presets are awful but these are just downright ugly sounding. Ugh, I wish DSI contacted me about doing some patches for the thing.

I think that's a pretty harsh assessment, which I don't even mean in a defensive sense due to having been involved in the process. I do get that you'd prefer to listen to some sample-only content that's only slightly processed at best, be it out of curiosity, be it due to personal preferences. And that is absolutely fine. But also consider that it's almost impossible to please everyone with presets. There are currently 3 goups of people: One would like to hear what you want, another one wants exactly the opposite (only oscillator-based sounds without any samples), yet another one wants only hardcore-mangled sounds because they think everything they've heard so far is not experimental or granular enough or too tame. Taking that into account, I'd say that the current presets provide a rather good compromise to hold these different interests together.

And there are also always mandatory rules for sound design, which pretty much write themselves based on an instrument's features: For potential customers all controllers like AT, mod wheel, and touch sliders obviously have to have an effect, most of the effects need to be showcased in some shape or form, particularly new ones if there are any (which of course doesn't mean pushing it to 11 all the time), the sequencer needs to play something if there is any, and the general philosophy behind the instrument has to be communicated, i.e. in this case that this is a synth and a sample playback instrument with sample manipulation options. Those are just self-evident preconditions that need to be catered to for any existing synth out there before you even start to think about a particular sound. Presets are not only supposed to sound cool (strictly subjective of course), but also carry the function of showcasing an instrument and all or most of its possibilities. You should also consider thatóas usualóit'll be up to you to eventually create the stuff you like with this instrument.

And on a personal note: There are at least 3 presets in my playlist that pretty much fit your desription above. One is a rather pure Rhodes sound with only additional effects that are dialed in via the touch sliders and mod wheel (phaser, delay, and tremolo), "Fashion Magazine" also only makes use of non-mangled samples, same as the tongue-in-cheek "Chill, Dude!", and even the last track uses mostly EMS-based synth samples, where only a sine wave takes over the role of a supporting sub oscillator. Whether those examples fit your personal style is another story, but there are quite a few sounds from everyone that only make sparse use of the oscillators, or use them in a rather supportive manner and not as the main tone generators. The problem may be that you cannot always hear that, or that you can only know this if you actually see how the according sounds have been made.

I do agree that presets are completely subjective but the REV 2 had some really nice presets...probably the best factory presets I've heard in a long time overall.

My opinion wasn't meant as a slight to the sound designers so I'm glad you didn't take it that way I just keep seeing comments like "I don't get it?" or "$4k for these sounds?". I get that it's all subjective but 8Dio has some breathtaking high quality sounds and from what I've heard on on most of the demo sounds or even from most of the demonstrations from Superbooth...that they are almost an afterthought. I just don't think it represents the synth well, that's all. The Superbooth videos played the same Steinway sample, sample choir sample and same bass sample and same multisampled industrial percussion sample over and over. Then bringing in a basic Init Patch Sawtooth Oscillator just buzzing under it. For me I would have demonstrated the bread and butter sampled sounds first and then show how they can be manipulated. If you start with all it's modulation and manipulation capabilities first people have no idea what they are hearing or what's special about it.

Like you said, once I get the synth I can program it for my personal taste and that's fine I'm just saying that I personally think it's a poor move to have these type of sounds represent the synth. Especially having poor Gerry demonstrate them and admittedly not being prepared or as familiar with the synth as he should have been. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Paul Dither on May 09, 2018, 03:38:49 AM
I do agree that presets are completely subjective but the REV 2 had some really nice presets...probably the best factory presets I've heard in a long time overall.

My opinion wasn't meant as a slight to the sound designers so I'm glad you didn't take it that way I just keep seeing comments like "I don't get it?" or "$4k for these sounds?". I get that it's all subjective but 8Dio has some breathtaking high quality sounds and from what I've heard on on most of the demo sounds or even from most of the demonstrations from Superbooth...that they are almost an afterthought. I just don't think it represents the synth well, that's all. The Superbooth videos played the same Steinway sample, sample choir sample and same bass sample and same multisampled industrial percussion sample over and over. Then bringing in a basic Init Patch Sawtooth Oscillator just buzzing under it. For me I would have demonstrated the bread and butter sampled sounds first and then show how they can be manipulated. If you start with all it's modulation and manipulation capabilities first people have no idea what they are hearing or what's special about it.

Like you said, once I get the synth I can program it for my personal taste and that's fine I'm just saying that I personally think it's a poor move to have these type of sounds represent the synth. Especially having poor Gerry demonstrate them and admittedly not being prepared or as familiar with the synth as he should have been.

Did you watch any of 8DIO's Prophet X YouTube videos? They might be more to your liking, as they focus more on the samples alone.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 09, 2018, 02:00:38 PM
I do agree that presets are completely subjective but the REV 2 had some really nice presets...probably the best factory presets I've heard in a long time overall.

My opinion wasn't meant as a slight to the sound designers so I'm glad you didn't take it that way I just keep seeing comments like "I don't get it?" or "$4k for these sounds?". I get that it's all subjective but 8Dio has some breathtaking high quality sounds and from what I've heard on on most of the demo sounds or even from most of the demonstrations from Superbooth...that they are almost an afterthought. I just don't think it represents the synth well, that's all. The Superbooth videos played the same Steinway sample, sample choir sample and same bass sample and same multisampled industrial percussion sample over and over. Then bringing in a basic Init Patch Sawtooth Oscillator just buzzing under it. For me I would have demonstrated the bread and butter sampled sounds first and then show how they can be manipulated. If you start with all it's modulation and manipulation capabilities first people have no idea what they are hearing or what's special about it.

Like you said, once I get the synth I can program it for my personal taste and that's fine I'm just saying that I personally think it's a poor move to have these type of sounds represent the synth. Especially having poor Gerry demonstrate them and admittedly not being prepared or as familiar with the synth as he should have been.

Did you watch any of 8DIO's Prophet X YouTube videos? They might be more to your liking, as they focus more on the samples alone.

Funny enough I commented on them with my suggestion and they responded that they will do a series of videos demonstrating more natural and acoustic samples and then slowly show what you can turn them into. :)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jg666 on May 11, 2018, 08:03:39 AM
OK I'm probably going to show myself up here with this :) What's the big excitement about this synth? To me the stuff I've heard is all possible on a synth such as the Yamaha Montage..... I assume I'm missing something massive though!
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: chysn on May 11, 2018, 12:59:27 PM
OK I'm probably going to show myself up here with this :) What's the big excitement about this synth? To me the stuff I've heard is all possible on a synth such as the Yamaha Montage..... I assume I'm missing something massive though!

I'm sure they can do a lot of the same kinds of things, being sample-based instruments with synth engines. And they aren't radically far-apart in price. The Prophet X seems to have a pretty big interface advantage (way knobbier), 30x more user memory, and the analog filters. But yeah, you're probably not going to see that many people selling off a Montage to buy a Prophet X.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sleep of Reason on May 11, 2018, 02:22:14 PM
The Prophet X seems to have a pretty big interface advantage (way knobbier), 30x more user memory, and the analog filters.

To be fair, the PX has its advantage in directness (& analog filter) as you pointed out, but certain not in overall ability. Plus the larger user memory only really matters because a "deeper" sample library is more important to the machine. Ultimately they have their own appeal.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Lady Gaia on May 11, 2018, 07:01:37 PM
Hi!  I've been active elsewhere but not here on the official forums since I haven't previously been a DSI owner.  That changes with this instrument, which has spoken to me since the first teaser. I pre-ordered the day of the formal announcement and I'm very much looking forward to its arrival.

To be fair, the PX has its advantage in directness (& analog filter) as you pointed out, but certain not in overall ability. Plus the larger user memory only really matters because a "deeper" sample library is more important to the machine. Ultimately they have their own appeal.

Why would round-robin alternates matter more for drum hits on one instrument versus another?  Or tonal variants based on microphone position?  Or more velocity layers?  The 150GB of factory samples should prove to be a phenomenal strength in providing a wide range of raw material.

"Overall ability" is fairly meaningless.  The ability of a hex editor to produce digital music of every kind imaginable is unbeatable, but it's still not a great musical instrument.  An instruments speaks to you and sparks your creativity, or it doesn't.  It gets in your way or it acts as an effective extension of your will.  The answers to both questions are going to be highly personal.  If the Montage appeals to you that's great.  Personally, I found it worked well out of the box and had some nice affordances for tweaking presets but it didn't appeal to me for ground-up sound design.

I'll freely admit I didn't spend a ton of time with it because the editing model didn't gel for me, but without analog filters or audio-rate modulation I find it hard to believe that the synthesis capabilities would be remotely similar to the Prophet X.  What I can't speak to is what matters most to you.  I'm expecting the Prophet X to a perfect complement to my Kurzweil Forte.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sleep of Reason on May 11, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
Ability (as enumerated below for those interested) is not subjective, it's simply the fair counter "advantage" to what chysn mentioned.

The Montage has two main synth engines. One is a subtractive synth engine that uses samples as oscillators and the other engine is a FM synth and both can be mixed together. Each engine has a 128 polyphony count. For each performance you can have 64 oscillators or operators. You can for example choose from the 18 filter types and have a different one for each oscillator. Each oscillator can have their own independent amp envelope, pitch EG, and pan setting. Each oscillator can have their own LFO as well as a more powerful common user editable LFO per scene. Each oscillator can have their own position on the keyboard and/or velocity setting spread throughout the 88 keys (for the M8 in the same price range). Within the performances you can switch or combine eight scenes with completely different settings. Each scene can have two of the 85 effects separately assignable (with much more than two parameters), an EQ, and an overall reverb + EQ. Each scene can have eight arpeggiators and eight motion sequences assignable. You can get all kinds of crazy evolving sounds with the motion control options. There's also direct A/D input and Sample Robot for free coming in the near future. Keep in mind this is my very limited knowledge of the instrument. You could literally go down the FM rabbit-hole and never come back. Of course none of this will matter if like many users on here you're the type that for some reason can't come to terms with the touch screen format. No one was arguing that.

If you watch the interview with Dave (that Paul conducted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qRhwx6zFI&feature=youtu.be)), he even admits if that's the type of thing that you're looking for then the PX may not be for you. It's more about the accessibility (I.E. direct tweakability via knobs) and instant access to high quality samples, which is exactly why that deeper upfront sample library/memory is more important in that context. All with the option to be put through an analog filter. If you read my post, I said am simply pointing out each has their own corner in the market that will cater to different users because each has their own strengths or rather focal points. Plenty of folks will swear their plug-ins are cheaper and better than both. Luckily you can buy whatever you want/can afford. It's all gravy to me.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jg666 on May 11, 2018, 11:53:33 PM
Ability (as enumerated below for those interested) is not subjective, it's simply the fair counter "advantage" to what chysn mentioned.

The Montage has two main synth engines. One is a subtractive synth engine that uses samples as oscillators and the other engine is a FM synth and both can be mixed together. Each engine has a 128 polyphony count. For each performance you can have 64 oscillators or operators. You can for example choose from the 18 filter types and have a different one for each oscillator. Each oscillator can have their own independent amp envelope, pitch EG, and pan setting. Each oscillator can have their own LFO as well as a more powerful common user editable LFO per scene. Each oscillator can have their own position on the keyboard and/or velocity setting spread throughout the 88 keys (for the M8 in the same price range). Within the performances you can switch or combine eight scenes with completely different settings. Each scene can have two of the 85 effects separately assignable (with much more than two parameters), an EQ, and an overall reverb + EQ. Each scene can have eight arpeggiators and eight motion sequences assignable. You can get all kinds of crazy evolving sounds with the motion control options. There's also direct A/D input and Sample Robot for free coming in the near future. Keep in mind this is my very limited knowledge of the instrument. You could literally go down the FM rabbit-hole and never come back. Of course none of this will matter if like many users on here you're the type that for some reason can't come to terms with the touch screen format. No one was arguing that.

If you watch the interview with Dave (that Paul conducted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13qRhwx6zFI&feature=youtu.be)), he even admits if that's the type of thing that you're looking for then the PX may not be for you. It's more about the accessibility (I.E. direct tweakability via knobs) and instant access to high quality samples, which is exactly why that deeper upfront sample library is more important in that context. All with the option to be put through an analog filter. If you read my post, I said am simply pointing out each has their own corner in the market that will cater to different users because each has their own strengths or rather focal points. Plenty of folks will swear their plug-ins are cheaper and better than both. Luckily you can buy whatever you want/can afford. It's all gravy to me.

Excellent post :) Hopefully my question above didn't come across as me having a 'downer' on the Prophet X, I was just curious about it vs other synths. I do think that the Prophet X looks superb and if I should get a a few thousand spare it would be a toss-up between it and the Montage. I nearly bought a Montage when they first came out but made the mistake of looking on the Yamaha forums and seeing everybody moaning and complaining non-stop instead of enjoying what they'd got  ;D
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 12, 2018, 09:47:02 AM
Hi!  I've been active elsewhere but not here on the official forums since I haven't previously been a DSI owner.  That changes with this instrument, which has spoken to me since the first teaser. I pre-ordered the day of the formal announcement and I'm very much looking forward to its arrival.

To be fair, the PX has its advantage in directness (& analog filter) as you pointed out, but certain not in overall ability. Plus the larger user memory only really matters because a "deeper" sample library is more important to the machine. Ultimately they have their own appeal.

Why would round-robin alternates matter more for drum hits on one instrument versus another?  Or tonal variants based on microphone position?  Or more velocity layers?  The 150GB of factory samples should prove to be a phenomenal strength in providing a wide range of raw material.

"Overall ability" is fairly meaningless.  The ability of a hex editor to produce digital music of every kind imaginable is unbeatable, but it's still not a great musical instrument.  An instruments speaks to you and sparks your creativity, or it doesn't.  It gets in your way or it acts as an effective extension of your will.  The answers to both questions are going to be highly personal.  If the Montage appeals to you that's great.  Personally, I found it worked well out of the box and had some nice affordances for tweaking presets but it didn't appeal to me for ground-up sound design.

I'll freely admit I didn't spend a ton of time with it because the editing model didn't gel for me, but without analog filters or audio-rate modulation I find it hard to believe that the synthesis capabilities would be remotely similar to the Prophet X.  What I can't speak to is what matters most to you.  I'm expecting the Prophet X to a perfect complement to my Kurzweil Forte.

Excellent post. For me Iím trying to shy away from menu diving which is why I lost interest in the Montage and Iím slowly gravitating towards the SP6 than the PC3K in the Kurzweil department. I want to connect with an instrument and I find having to rely on heavy menu diving as opposed to a knob per function layout really prevents me from doing that.

For me the PX is about taking the bread and butter samples and manipulating them with the ease like my Prophet 6.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 12, 2018, 12:44:47 PM
I have a little different take on the Montage.  When I can justify it with the spousal board of consent, it will probably be my next purchase.  My priority is to replace my S-90.  My S-90 is getting old, but it is fantastic as a controller and the weighted keys are awesome for a pianist.  I still use many of the sounds too.  The Montage is the only keyboard I can see as a full replacement/upgrade to the S-90.  The FM side of it would allow me to take my DX out of service too. 

The PX sounds like a great instrument, but it will have to wait behind the Montage on my priorities. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Sleep of Reason on May 12, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
Well if you own a DX then you know the true meaning of menu diving.  ;)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 12, 2018, 01:38:22 PM
Well if you own a DX then you know the true meaning of menu diving.  ;)

Truer words were never said.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Lady Gaia on May 12, 2018, 04:11:53 PM
The biggest reasons why I looked into the Montage were loving the keybed on the 88 key version I tried, and hoping Yamaha finally had a great UI for FM programming.  While I was ultimately disappointed with the touchscreen navigation for programming, there's no question that classic sound is there with a lot of nice additional touches.  It's a fine offering with some characteristics that didn't grab me, and for me it felt more like an alternative to the Kurzweil than the gap I had earmarked than the one the Prophet X will fill.

I'm still hopeful Yamaha will put out a modern FM synth based on the Montage technology in a rack mount format.  If not, I guess I'll have to track down an FS1R because I've been missing that sound since my DX7IIFD was stolen many decades ago.

I certainly wouldn't put the Kurzweil line forward for having any kind of immediacy or ease of programming, so I'm sure my preference there has a lot more to do with having owned a K2000 and a K2500X.  It's familiar territory that I'm used to being able to make the most of.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: ddp on May 12, 2018, 05:56:57 PM
I'm new here too, but not new to DSI.  I have a Prophet 6, rev2/16, and a new Tempest, and I ordered a Prophet X.  I've been hanging out in the Nord forum but over the last year, I've sold almost all my Nord hardware, save for a Lead 3 and Rack 3, and I'm looking forward to the Prophet X, enough to have ordered one without playing one.  I happened to catch Dave at Moogfest last year talking about the design of the P6 and rev2 and very much enjoyed his talk.  I also have a Moog Subsequent (upgraded from a Sub37) and minimoog Model D Reissue and I grew up listening to Yes.  This will be fun!
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 12, 2018, 07:34:38 PM
The biggest reasons why I looked into the Montage were loving the keybed on the 88 key version I tried, and hoping Yamaha finally had a great UI for FM programming.  While I was ultimately disappointed with the touchscreen navigation for programming, there's no question that classic sound is there with a lot of nice additional touches.  It's a fine offering with some characteristics that didn't grab me, and for me it felt more like an alternative to the Kurzweil than the gap I had earmarked than the one the Prophet X will fill.

I'm still hopeful Yamaha will put out a modern FM synth based on the Montage technology in a rack mount format.  If not, I guess I'll have to track down an FS1R because I've been missing that sound since my DX7IIFD was stolen many decades ago.

I certainly wouldn't put the Kurzweil line forward for having any kind of immediacy or ease of programming, so I'm sure my preference there has a lot more to do with having owned a K2000 and a K2500X.  It's familiar territory that I'm used to being able to make the most of.

Sadly when I brought up the idea of an FMX only synth or even a new DX, I was met with the response from Yamaha ďWe donít live in the past.Ē I mentioned the Reface line and they said I was being too aggressive. So Iím a bit put off by Yamaha to be honest.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 12, 2018, 07:35:29 PM
I'm new here too, but not new to DSI.  I have a Prophet 6, rev2/16, and a new Tempest, and I ordered a Prophet X.  I've been hanging out in the Nord forum but over the last year, I've sold almost all my Nord hardware, save for a Lead 3 and Rack 3, and I'm looking forward to the Prophet X, enough to have ordered one without playing one.  I happened to catch Dave at Moogfest last year talking about the design of the P6 and rev2 and very much enjoyed his talk.  I also have a Moog Subsequent (upgraded from a Sub37) and minimoog Model D Reissue and I grew up listening to Yes.  This will be fun!

Looks like you got my ideal DSI line. I just placed the order for the Prophet X today. You are just one REV2 ahead of me. Lol
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 12, 2018, 08:21:17 PM

Sadly when I brought up the idea of an FMX only synth or even a new DX, I was met with the response from Yamaha ďWe donít live in the past.Ē I mentioned the Reface line and they said I was being too aggressive. So Iím a bit put off by Yamaha to be honest.

That's too bad.  I feel the reason why FM is not more popular is that it has not been incorporated into a user friendly interface.  If FM was interfaced like analog has been interfaced in the Rev 2, I think there would be a strong resurgence.  A 6 operator FM synth could be done with as little as 60 knobs if each operator got its own set, or 20 knobs if they are switchable to each operator.   

I was hopeful that the P-12's FM would have been the solution.  However, the FM there does not cut it.  The highest frequency response of the modulation is only about 4k hz.  As a result, the sparkle that differentiates DX type FM is not available on the P-12.

FM is an amazing untapped technology.  Now that FM is in the public domain, I hope that DSI will look into a DX like FM synth with a user friendly interface.  I'm sure it would be a winner. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jg666 on May 13, 2018, 12:53:09 AM
I agree about everything that has been said about Yamaha. Iíve owned the MOXF6 for some time and the menu system still bloody confuses me !! Itís a very deep synth but a constant battle for me to find what I need.
Edit....
If it wasn't for Phil (Bad Mister) and all his help on the internet there would be a lot more people with no idea what they're doing with their Yamaha synths!


Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: LoboLives on May 13, 2018, 05:42:17 AM

Sadly when I brought up the idea of an FMX only synth or even a new DX, I was met with the response from Yamaha ďWe donít live in the past.Ē I mentioned the Reface line and they said I was being too aggressive. So Iím a bit put off by Yamaha to be honest.

That's too bad.  I feel the reason why FM is not more popular is that it has not been incorporated into a user friendly interface.  If FM was interfaced like analog has been interfaced in the Rev 2, I think there would be a strong resurgence.  A 6 operator FM synth could be done with as little as 60 knobs if each operator got its own set, or 20 knobs if they are switchable to each operator.   

I was hopeful that the P-12's FM would have been the solution.  However, the FM there does not cut it.  The highest frequency response of the modulation is only about 4k hz.  As a result, the sparkle that differentiates DX type FM is not available on the P-12.

FM is an amazing untapped technology.  Now that FM is in the public domain, I hope that DSI will look into a DX like FM synth with a user friendly interface.  I'm sure it would be a winner.

I think the P-12's FM section, although limited does sound nice. A lot of the DX7 tones you hear on recordings are actually being run through heavy chorus effects. Although it's not perfect, put an analog chorus behind the Prophet 12 and you'll get into the DX territory.

Personally, I think the next DSI instrument will focus more on digital synthesis. FM but specifically Vector Synthesis.

http://www.vintagesynth.com/sci/pvs.php
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: tumble2k on May 13, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
I agree about everything that has been said about Yamaha. Iíve owned the MOXF6 for some time and the menu system still bloody confuses me !! Itís a very deep synth but a constant battle for me to find what I need.
Edit....
If it wasn't for Phil (Bad Mister) and all his help on the internet there would be a lot more people with no idea what they're doing with their Yamaha synths!
I tried a MOXF6 for a few months. It definitely didn't gel with me. I wanted to use the multitrack sequencer but I couldn't ever hit the right buttons to do anything. I'd work through the tutorial and by the time I wanted to record another track I had forgotten how to do it. I never even attempted to modify a program!

I've learned more about FM and I think it's hot. I need is a cookbook for creating acoustic sounding instruments. I hope someone will start making serious 6 op FM synthesizers again (besides the expensive Montage).
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: niagarasynths on May 13, 2018, 06:39:53 PM
I have a MOXF8 for live playing and it's great for setting up layers and splits, meat and potatoes stuff. My recently acquired Montage 6 is going to be leaving if the X is as good as it seems to be, hands on. The Montage strings sounds are lame and programmability is less than intuitive, as is storing and saving sounds.
Question though, does the X have a category search?
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Lady Gaia on May 13, 2018, 06:49:03 PM
Question though, does the X have a category search?

Sample groups are neatly categorized by type, which should make program design easy when wading through the 850+ available sample groups.  Programs, on the other hand?  They can be manually organized into sets for performance but I don't think they're otherwise searchable.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 13, 2018, 10:15:42 PM
I see a Prophet X to be like Ableton live & improvisation. And I see a Montage/Motif XF/Kronos/Kurzweil to be like a traditional linear DAW & composition. For some, one is a clear path.

Phil is amazing. Yamaha Synth Division is indebted to this long-term teacher. I was just reading some of his stuff today. I'm a Motif XF user. I had a good look at the Montage when it (& the OB6) came out, but decided to stay put. I was incredibly excited by it as an evolution to what I had. The learning curve with the Motif XF has surely been as steep as advertised. The existing various means of support are critical. My fundamental reason for the XF was for sample playback with zero lag. And I've grown attached to its sequencer.

Strangely, I learned synthesis from Phil on the XF, trying to make it be a Prophet '08. I got to real interesting places, only scratching the surface. And then, the Rev2 was announced the day after I shook hands with Uli, having just tried out my 1st 12 voice monotimbral, and identifying the importance of polyphony for my top synthesis goal. The Rev2 is addressing my real-time need.

Good luck on your call. ... Identifying needs, workflow, & thinking complementary seem to be good guiding posts. As is gut. ... I think Dave addresses the Prophet X vs workstation comparison pretty saliently in Nodes & Wires, Ep. 4.

One of my top favorite things about DSI is the thoughtfulness & courteousness of this forum. ... The Tempest forum could be a different hang, though. ... But there, beat is king. 
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 13, 2018, 10:32:50 PM
On the DSI forum, we're discussing a DSI/Sequential instrument vs. a Big Box rompler-workstation. For an apples-to-apples role. This is synth history in its continued making.

Both have user samples, both have synthesis. They're entirely different. One can't shed the moniker; one is trying to avoid the moniker. The moniker doesn't apply to either and is worn proudly by both.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 14, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
Returning to this thread's subject, simply reiterating what's has been communicated countless times ... 

This Prophet X is novel. (... irrespective of its components.)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 14, 2018, 08:15:20 PM
On the DSI forum, we're discussing a DSI/Sequential instrument vs. a Big Box rompler-workstation. For an apples-to-apples role. This is synth history in its continued making.

Both have user samples, both have synthesis. They're entirely different. One can't shed the moniker; one is trying to avoid the moniker. The moniker doesn't apply to either and is worn proudly by both.

Interesting comment.  I think I understand but what do you believe is the "moniker"?

I really like DSI instruments because they are both innovative and user friendly.  Hence why I have three DSI synths.  I can't say both for Yamaha, for example.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: dsetto on May 14, 2018, 08:32:30 PM
Rompler-workstation
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 14, 2018, 08:33:59 PM
OK I'm probably going to show myself up here with this :) What's the big excitement about this synth? To me the stuff I've heard is all possible on a synth such as the Yamaha Montage..... I assume I'm missing something massive though!

Yes, user interface - which differentiates all DSI synths from Yamaha.  DSI is taking all of its advantages and putting them into Yamaha territory.  Also, the basic approach will yield a different sound from the competition. 

I will probably get a Montage before an X for my own personal reasons.  However, I think an X will be added to the stable around the time the premium goes off the price.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jdt9517 on May 14, 2018, 08:49:10 PM

I think that's a pretty harsh assessment . . .  The problem may be that you cannot always hear that, or that you can only know this if you actually see how the according sounds have been made.

Good assessment of the job of presets.  I have never really worried about preset sounds.  I'll start with a preset and go from there.  If I can get something that pushes my creativity in different direction, then it's good and valuable.  I look at presets as "serving suggestion" (in the US, most pictures on boxed food items showing the item on a nice plate, etc., has the reference - "serving suggestion").  Take the preset and adjust to taste.

I did a que recently with the "Space Cow" preset in the Pro-02.  The preset by itself might sound a little lame without any context.  In a mix and doing some modulation to the preset, it became a really desirable addition.   So, you can't judge a preset by its cover.  BTW, here is the track with the Space Cow preset.  It's the background sound that sounds like sad wailing.   https://soundcloud.com/jdt9517/space-cadet-full-mix
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: jg666 on May 16, 2018, 01:37:49 PM
Well I have to admit, the more sound demos I hear from the 8Dio YouTube channel the more Iím absolutely gobsmacked by the stunning sounds I hear coming from this synth. I was hoping I wouldnít have to spend over £3,000 feeding my synth obsession with another one but I fear Iíve lost the battle ;)
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: ddp on May 19, 2018, 07:15:11 PM
The so called 'deep samples' are great. I played a 1928 Grand today, about eight different mic placements.  On par w/ Galaxy Instruments grands.  Very expressive despite the synth weighted keys.
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: bobule on June 09, 2018, 06:48:17 AM
hey all
here's my contribution; an hour of demos

https://soundcloud.com/twoquietsuns/sets/dsi-prophet-x-demos (https://soundcloud.com/twoquietsuns/sets/dsi-prophet-x-demos)

can't wait to get my grubby hands back on a px
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: hoodoo_ray on June 11, 2018, 01:30:23 AM
The so called 'deep samples' are great. I played a 1928 Grand today, about eight different mic placements.  On par w/ Galaxy Instruments grands.  Very expressive despite the synth weighted keys.

Did you play with a suspend pedal? If so, how was the response, did it feel right? Basically asking to see of the PX could eventually replace my Nord Electro for piano and electric piano sounds..
Title: Re: Prophet X Sounds
Post by: Differencetone on December 11, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
For piano, the keyboard just doesn't cut it. It's good for noodling with crazy space sounds. I would not give up the Nord...

The so called 'deep samples' are great. I played a 1928 Grand today, about eight different mic placements.  On par w/ Galaxy Instruments grands.  Very expressive despite the synth weighted keys.

Did you play with a suspend pedal? If so, how was the response, did it feel right? Basically asking to see of the PX could eventually replace my Nord Electro for piano and electric piano sounds..