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Title: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: Polysix on March 19, 2018, 09:02:33 PM
Hi,

Does anyone have a list of the main bugs that exist after the final OS?

Is the sync drift when the Tempest is slaved still a thing? I've started to go through the 47 pages but would appreciate if an experienced user can chime in with a short summary of the larger issues (outside of trivial bugs or annoyances) that may exist.

I haven't used a Tempest but have a trade offer that I'll need to decide on quickly. I've read a lot of polarized opinions which has led me here.

Thanks!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: LucidSFX on March 25, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
Nothing major. DEFINATELY worth the purchase man. Most of the polarizing opinions were from early firmware Developement. So many new features and fixes have occurred. Bite the bullet! You won’t be sorry. My favourite synth 100%
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: dgodzillaa on April 29, 2018, 02:43:31 AM
well...
bugs are ok. it's a nice tool to use and program. I have it side to maschine and i definitly prefer to program sounds from scratch on tempest rather than aaaaaall what's available in maschine.

BUT. watch out. I'm here to find infos about switch problems. This is more serious than bugs imo. most of my switchs are fucked because loosing contact. Not sure why.. need cleaning maybe ?

also samples have always been a limitation on tempest. Look at the https://www.elektron.se/products/analog-rytm-mkii/
That would be my buy these days (for le$$)
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: muleskinner on May 01, 2018, 12:31:10 AM
BUT. watch out. I'm here to find infos about switch problems. This is more serious than bugs imo. most of my switchs are fucked because loosing contact. Not sure why.. need cleaning maybe ?

I have had zero hardware issues with mine and I've had it for years!

also samples have always been a limitation on tempest. Look at the https://www.elektron.se/products/analog-rytm-mkii/
That would be my buy these days (for le$$)

The analog rytm is a completely different beast. Better for some maybe, personally I'd stick with my Tempest any day of the week. Tempest is a proper synth.

I'm debating whether to do a YouTube vid on why the Tempest is possibly the most misunderstood piece of synth hardware of all time. The fact DSI chose 'Analog Drum Machine' is very misleading. 'Analog Drum Synth' would be better but really it's a kick-ass multitimbral analog polysynth with an extremely flexible sequencer and two digital oscillators per voice to boot. There really is nothing else like it out there in the analog domain terms of overall flexibility IMO. It's like having six DFAMs in one box!

Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 01, 2018, 07:55:10 AM
I’ll also say I’ve had my Tempest years now and can say that I’ve had zero quality problems and all switches buttons pads and dials work perfectly as they should even after copious amounts of bashing twisting turning and wiggling it’s a great piece of equipment.

Also I’ve been on this forum quite a while and have heard many software problems with the Tempest (before this latest firmware which sorted the Tempest out really well) but I’ve not heard more than one complaint about quality and that was to do with 1/4” jacks so I think it’s just unlucky if your switches are having problems!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: molodin on May 01, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
Do anyone else but me experience a freeze when trying to live record play lists with 16 beats activated?
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: dsetto on May 02, 2018, 01:17:04 AM
Molodin- are you on last OS?
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On Analog Drum Machine. I assume "machine" cause sequencer.
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all my T's hardware has been solid, too.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: molodin on May 02, 2018, 01:51:48 AM
Yes:

Tempest Main OS: 1.5.0.2
Voice: 1.5
Sam: 1.1
Panel: 1.3

Does it work for you?
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: joosep on May 02, 2018, 02:33:51 AM
I'm debating whether to do a YouTube vid on why the Tempest is possibly the most misunderstood piece of synth hardware of all time. The fact DSI chose 'Analog Drum Machine' is very misleading. 'Analog Drum Synth' would be better but really it's a kick-ass multitimbral analog polysynth with an extremely flexible sequencer and two digital oscillators per voice to boot. There really is nothing else like it out there in the analog domain terms of overall flexibility IMO.
This is exactly how I feel about the Tempest!

I think Tempest catches a lot of hate because of this! People buying one thinking they are getting a "drum-machine". Where you have dedicate signal paths for instruments and well understood knobs, like tone and decay etc. On the Tempest tho, there are no such things, which over complicates things, but also gives user soooo much freedom.
Once it "clicks", once the user gets what it is, its bloody brilliant.
But the sequencer? I find it utterly boring and extremely poor. Thats why I bought an external sequencer and do all my magic from that. Gives me tons of more capabilities!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 02, 2018, 04:24:36 AM
Which sequencer are you using Joosep , this is why I’m thinking about trigger > midi, and I have some sequencers for the synth part also beatstep, sq2 and some software sequencers.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: joosep on May 02, 2018, 05:29:35 AM
Which sequencer are you using Joosep , this is why I’m thinking about trigger > midi, and I have some sequencers for the synth part also beatstep, sq2 and some software sequencers.
I am using the Squarp Pyramid.
Gives me access to polymeters (different length tracks) and polyrhythms (different time signatures). Also not to mention some awesome MIDI gymnastics ;)
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: LoboLives on May 02, 2018, 04:49:37 PM
I actually really enjoy the sequencer for the Tempest. I usually do a project and set up a play list, set a midi channel to an external synth (sometimes multiple synths layered on the same channel) for a bass line, hit play and just play my other gear.

I'm still looking at the Pioneer SP-16 as another drum machine/main sequencer as well....but I'm never getting rid of the Tempest. No way.

As far as "Analog Drum Machine" or "Analog Drum Synth" I have always called it the Tempest Drum Computer.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: muleskinner on May 03, 2018, 12:21:59 AM
But the sequencer? I find it utterly boring and extremely poor. Thats why I bought an external sequencer and do all my magic from that. Gives me tons of more capabilities!

Again, it falls into a slightly 'between two stools' category. It's fairly lacking for what you expect from a full-on drum sequencer, and it's certainly lacking compared to a dedicated hardware sequencer - but it's way, way above what you'd get on most synths.

Personally I don't find it boring at all. Quite the opposite actually, generally I find it intuitive and fun for bashing out ideas but frustrating when it comes to putting together a full arrangement. This is a problem with many sequencers (even hybrid setups like Maschine). Plus you can't sequence the fx sliders externally (big shame). The lack of polyrhythms / different length sequences per beat is a setback though.

What I really like though is the fact you can design complex, evolving 'mini-beats' that get triggered from an external sequencer (or sampled) like an individual sound would normally. It's really, really good for stuff like that.

I've bought a Deluge for more complex hardware sequencing (it's great) but I haven't really paired it up with the Tempest yet. Too busy messing around with my first few eurorack modules!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: joosep on May 03, 2018, 02:06:45 AM
Plus you can't sequence the fx sliders externally (big shame).
Your Deluge can sequence MIDI CC messages. And you can use the modulation matrix inside the Tempest to modulate any parameter. As an example, MIDI CC 4 corresponds to the "foot pedal" inside Tempest modulation sources.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: muleskinner on May 03, 2018, 05:27:57 AM
Plus you can't sequence the fx sliders externally (big shame).
Your Deluge can sequence MIDI CC messages. And you can use the modulation matrix inside the Tempest to modulate any parameter. As an example, MIDI CC 4 corresponds to the "foot pedal" inside Tempest modulation sources.

Is that correct? I thought foot pedal 1 and 2 were for the expression pedal inputs?

That is a good idea though, there are a couple more MIDI source options in the mod matrix as opposed to allocating via the fx sliders and I hadn't thought of doing that. It has 'MIDI breath' and 'MIDI expression' which for some reason aren't directly allocatable via the sliders!

Just need to get Rohan to add pitch bend sequencing to the Deluge and that's be all four slider fx covered (assuming 'breath' and 'expression' are standard ccs which I think they are).  ;)

EDIT: Damn, just realised that's still really limiting as those control sources are shared across all sounds aren't they? Still, better than nowt...
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 03, 2018, 09:36:23 AM
Muleskinner do I detect a fellow Yorkshireman “better than nowt” xD
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: joosep on May 03, 2018, 10:12:40 PM
EDIT: Damn, just realised that's still really limiting as those control sources are shared across all sounds aren't they? Still, better than nowt...
Yes this is true, but atleast you can have one pad/sound on a different MIDI channel, giving it its own CCs.
All in all I quite like they are on the shared tbh. Gives me the option to control the filter of multiple sounds at once, but not all, exactly what I want for performances.

And yes btw, there are multiple ones, like MIDI breath etc...
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: muleskinner on May 04, 2018, 12:14:15 AM
Muleskinner do I detect a fellow Yorkshireman “better than nowt” xD

Haha no, but my wife grew up there (though she's actually Welsh) and I have family there. Fantastic part of the world though!

I've just watched too much Coronation Street in my life!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 04, 2018, 04:05:21 AM
Muleskinner do I detect a fellow Yorkshireman “better than nowt” xD

Haha no, but my wife grew up there (though she's actually Welsh) and I have family there. Fantastic part of the world though!

I've just watched too much Coronation Street in my life!

Lmao never heard a non Englishman use that phrase! Damn right you’ve watched too much Corrie!!! Gail would be proud xd
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: muleskinner on May 04, 2018, 07:38:59 AM
Muleskinner do I detect a fellow Yorkshireman “better than nowt” xD

Haha no, but my wife grew up there (though she's actually Welsh) and I have family there. Fantastic part of the world though!

I've just watched too much Coronation Street in my life!

Lmao never heard a non Englishman use that phrase! Damn right you’ve watched too much Corrie!!! Gail would be proud xd

I am English - just not from Yorkshire! I'm a Londoner, though currently residing near Bath (where I intend to stay)!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 04, 2018, 09:37:28 PM
Muleskinner do I detect a fellow Yorkshireman “better than nowt” xD

Haha no, but my wife grew up there (though she's actually Welsh) and I have family there. Fantastic part of the world though!

I've just watched too much Coronation Street in my life!

Lmao never heard a non Englishman use that phrase! Damn right you’ve watched too much Corrie!!! Gail would be proud xd

I am English - just not from Yorkshire! I'm a Londoner, though currently residing near Bath (where I intend to stay)!
ah that explains it then lol!!!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: onesnzeros on May 07, 2018, 12:29:00 AM
maybe not a 'bug', but a few of my digital waveforms/samples are either silent, or glitched out and cut short.
many of them have a horrible buzz about them also. ailiasing or whatever the problem.
like playing a file that's the wrong sample rate for the decoder or whatever.

every time i think about selling Mr T, i sit down and write a beat...
so many things that shit me up the wall about the Tempest. but it's so quick and easy for me to come up with basic ideas, and well... i think it's always gonna be a love/hate relationship. If i can ever afford it, i'll probably try to replace it with the newest JoMox Alpha Base. The thing that really pushes me over the edge is the amount of time required to shape decent tight envelope shapes. They're pretty shit envelopes in their default state, always need to fuck around and use multi mod slots... it's a real waste of time.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: Yorgos Arabatzis on May 07, 2018, 07:49:00 AM
I’ve tried the Alpha Base at Superbooth and the sound is huge!Though there are issues with the OS as i heard..Next to Jomox was ACL’s booth and i’ve tried their Modular stuff...Well...After that everything was sounding tin cans for me..IMHO ACL was MVP company of Superbooth 2018!!!I’ve recorded a video of me and that nice guy (Stephan Lewin) messing around with a beat..Check it out:
https://youtu.be/_nKDNv2I_uE

I’ve made up my mind i’m going modular :P
maybe not a 'bug', but a few of my digital waveforms/samples are either silent, or glitched out and cut short.
many of them have a horrible buzz about them also. ailiasing or whatever the problem.
like playing a file that's the wrong sample rate for the decoder or whatever.

every time i think about selling Mr T, i sit down and write a beat...
so many things that shit me up the wall about the Tempest. but it's so quick and easy for me to come up with basic ideas, and well... i think it's always gonna be a love/hate relationship. If i can ever afford it, i'll probably try to replace it with the newest JoMox Alpha Base. The thing that really pushes me over the edge is the amount of time required to shape decent tight envelope shapes. They're pretty shit envelopes in their default state, always need to fuck around and use multi mod slots... it's a real waste of time.
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: RobH on May 07, 2018, 09:02:29 AM
I’ve made up my mind i’m going modular :P

Modular is amazing. Expensive, convoluted, time wasting, yet free and unique, a learning experience mostly its fulfilling once you've found modules you gel with and like the (i won't say sound) response of!

I've not heard and ACL modular, however i will reccomend Make Noise (especially their low pass gates LxD is a cheap small but fucking incredible sounding module, especially for percussion i emplore you to grab it), you'll want a Make Noise Maths because its lets you do so many things from envelope genration and groove creation to offsets ands crazy LFO's even can be some unqiue oscillators, very amazing module and is as great as folks say it is. Cwejman modules are also incredible, they are expensive and hard to find but they are worth the little extra expense and effort finding them or getting names on lists.

If you have any questions let me know Yorgoz! Also if your just starting out Doepfer cases are reasonable price, decent power supply (very important don't overlook this and don't get a Uzeus or any power supply that uses Ribbon cables over busboards for power distribution it adds crosstalk and noise your not going to like). Doepfer  modules are really great prices too, so don't be fooled by more expensive utiility modules that Doepfer sell at half the price!!!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: Yorgos Arabatzis on May 07, 2018, 09:13:50 AM
Thanks man really appreciate it!Ye i have a friend from Vienna who owns modular stuff and he said the exact same thing about Doepfer cases..We now have a lot of things to talk about :P
I’ve made up my mind i’m going modular :P

Modular is amazing. Expensive, convoluted, time wasting, yet free and unique, a learning experience mostly its fulfilling once you've found modules you gel with and like the (i won't say sound) response of!

I've not heard and ACL modular, however i will reccomend Make Noise (especially their low pass gates LxD is a cheap small but fucking incredible sounding module, especially for percussion i emplore you to grab it), you'll want a Make Noise Maths because its lets you do so many things from envelope genration and groove creation to offsets ands crazy LFO's even can be some unqiue oscillators, very amazing module and is as great as folks say it is. Cwejman modules are also incredible, they are expensive and hard to find but they are worth the little extra expense and effort finding them or getting names on lists.

If you have any questions let me know Yorgoz! Also if your just starting out Doepfer cases are reasonable price, decent power supply (very important don't overlook this and don't get a Uzeus or any power supply that uses Ribbon cables over busboards for power distribution it adds crosstalk and noise your not going to like). Doepfer  modules are really great prices too, so don't be fooled by more expensive utiility modules that Doepfer sell at half the price!!!
Title: Re: List of Current Major Bugs?
Post by: Shanesplanet on August 18, 2019, 12:20:53 AM
Do anyone else but me experience a freeze when trying to live record play lists with 16 beats activated?
Yes.. the new 1.5.02 os wont let me record into the playlist. Everything works until I go to the second beat and the machine freezes. Doesnt matter the set, with nothing clocked. Tried reset everything and reinstall firmware, still cant play into the setlist live at all. I rolled back to an older os and works fine. Sadly I only kept 1.4.4b, so i cant comment on others. I am now looking for a newer firmware but not 1.5.0.2. Ive swapped firmwares twice now and same results. 1.4 records into playlist, 1.5 does not. Mention of this bug on page 50 of the bug thread for 1.5.02 os. This feature being broken and not intended to be fixed, pushes me very close to liquidating the tempest. Give me something that works and update it to break... hmmm