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OTHER DISCUSSIONS => General Synthesis => Other Hardware/Software => Topic started by: Pidcin on January 15, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
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It's a free market. Behringer is offering something Tom and Dave didn't and the public wanted. It's a totally different synth from the OB-6. Is it better or worse? I don't know. It's just different.
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
How much are you getting paid? :D
No price has been set for the UB-Xa, and it's not due out anytime soon–thank you for playing. (Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my Pro-2 and its SEM filter, for which there is no Uli-flavored equivalent, and my Prophet-600, which uses the same CEM 3340 VCOs as the original.)
It's gotta offer something useful above and beyond the original Curtis-flavored synthesizer voice, else there are a lot of alternatives out there, if you don't mind supporting a smaller company and/or spending some $$.
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There's no price set yet(thanks David)....It won't be the same.....OB6 is SEM/Discrete...Xa=Curtis......but honestly it will hurt OB6 sales........It won't help that you get a lecture when asking for enhancements(even little ones) for the OB6/P6 and you got Uli over there being open/asking for user input on features....There's whole threads on the 1 LFO thing at Gearslutz....
I'd rather give my money to DSI/Tom....I always liked to think that the reason the OB6 was a little bit more expensive than the P6 was because Tom was getting a little cut...., but who knows. Tom's still making synths....it's a bit ugly/bad taste IMO.
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There's no price set yet(thanks David)....It won't be the same.....OB6 is SEM/Discrete...Xa=Curtis......but honestly it will hurt OB6 sales........It won't help that you get a lecture when asking for enhancements(even little ones) for the OB6/P6 and you got Uli over there being open/asking for user input on features....There's whole threads on the 1 LFO thing at Gearslutz....
I'd rather give my money to DSI/Tom....I always liked to think that the reason the OB6 was a little bit more expensive than the P6 was because Tom was getting a little cut...., but who knows. Tom's still making synths....it's a bit ugly/bad taste IMO.
Yeah! I agree and You know what , next on my list is an OB6. Every time I am at the music store I end up hogging it and spending almost all my time with it . Theres something magical about it . It’ll be a nice companion to my prophet 6, as it contrast it so well when in need of a bit more aggressive , raw in your face sounds that isn’t so warm .
I thought based off the facts that they came out with a clone of the model D for $400 CDN; and those cost about $5000 that presummingly speaking the UBXA would sit in the same price bracket . So regardless of price , I will defiantly pick two of them up. Yes , two. One to keep in a box forever until they become a potential treasure , and one to play . And obviously I’ll have gotten the OB6 before hand . ahhh the gas.
And as for the guy up there asking how much I get paid and saying “thanks for playing “ aka what a waste of time / stupid question. I’m not sure why I’m getting a snarky remark and I don’t like it. So Let’s put it this way ,to answer your question so to speak :D I most likely pay more taxes than you and your spouse gross . And that’s also a presumption. Crap, I just picked up a 88 Kronos 2, prophet 6, tempest and moog sub 37 alone from my OT hours from work all from the past 5 months
So don’t get smart with me .
I was simply curious to people’s responses and thoughts knowing DSI has one of the best OB synths available and here comes a big commercial company that’s used to making poo poo products , or at least not near the DSI quality and then POOF out of thin air , some serious analog synths that would potential steer new players to picking it up because of its inexpensive price point rather than investing in say dsi. It just upsets me . Don’t know why. I’m a snob. So be it .
Just my thoughts .
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And as for the guy up there asking how much I get paid and saying “thanks for playing “ aka what a waste of time / stupid question. I’m not sure why I’m getting a snarky remark and I don’t like it.
That was not what was implied, by any stretch–there's a fairly wide audience here, from folks who buy their instruments used off Craigslist to those who buy them new-in-a-box from an authorized retailer (I've done both).
My tongue-in-cheek remark was referring to the incentivized "street team" of a certain multinational manufacturer whose posts seem to bubble up on the user forums every time there's a new product pre-announced. You have my apologies, if I wrongly implied that you were one of those paid shills (though they do post here, and brag about it elsewhere).
So Let’s put it this way ,to answer your question so to speak :D I most likely pay more taxes than you and your spouse gross . And that’s also a presumption. Crap, I just picked up a 88 Kronos 2, prophet 6, tempest and moog sub 37 alone from my OT hours from work all from the past 5 months
So don’t get smart with me .
Yeah–probably not an appropriate discussion here; you're welcome to DM me if you need a further apology.
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And as for the guy up there asking how much I get paid and saying “thanks for playing “ aka what a waste of time / stupid question. I’m not sure why I’m getting a snarky remark and I don’t like it.
That was not what was implied, by any stretch–there's a fairly wide audience here, from folks who buy their instruments used off Craigslist to those who buy them new-in-a-box from an authorized retailer (I've done both).
My tongue-in-cheek remark was referring to the incentivized "street team" of a certain multinational manufacturer whose posts seem to bubble up on the user forums every time there's a new product pre-announced. You have my apologies, if I wrongly implied that you were one of those paid shills (though they do post here, and brag about it elsewhere).
So Let’s put it this way ,to answer your question so to speak :D I most likely pay more taxes than you and your spouse gross . And that’s also a presumption. Crap, I just picked up a 88 Kronos 2, prophet 6, tempest and moog sub 37 alone from my OT hours from work all from the past 5 months
So don’t get smart with me .
Yeah–probably not an appropriate discussion here; you're welcome to DM me if you need a further apology.
No problem . My apologies than as well. I don’t get paid by Behringer street team , or am endorsed by any musical company . I’m a road worker for the city.
“We built this city, we built this city on rock and roll”
-for real, we’ve built this city and its highways, roads, and institutional, commercial and industrial buildings and love what I do , love what I make, love the toys I get to acquire and love my 4 months off a year during the winter season to enjoy my toys .
Thank you for clarifying
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
How much are you getting paid? :D
I took this question/comment as a harmless joke, nothing more. He even added a smile to be clear that it was only a joke, and not a dig.
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
How much are you getting paid? :D
I took this question/comment as a harmless joke, nothing more. He even added a smile to be clear that it was only a joke.
Exactly. And also, it wasn't "how much money do you earn?" as much as it was "how much is Behringer paying you for your shill services?" I thought it was funny.
But seriously, you get what you pay for. Somebody who makes it rain as hard as you do should know that. It's a fair question, but I suspect that exactly zero OB6 owners are going to be all, "Damn it, if I had only held out for the Behringer!!!"
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
How much are you getting paid? :D
I took this question/comment as a harmless joke, nothing more. He even added a smile to be clear that it was only a joke, and not a dig.
The “ thanks for coming out comment “ was the comment in tangent with the assumption that I’m a paid vacuum sales Rep for Behringer that made it upsetting . Not the smiley face . I added a smiley face . You didn’t seem to like it , when I added a smiley face ?
And our conversation between himself and myself have been amended .
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What are your thoughts on the Behringer UB XA ? How does it feel to have spent top dollar for a DSI and here comes Behringer making a clone of the OBXA for under $500? What are your predictions about the quality ? Do you think it’ll be comparable ? Do you think it’s blasphemy ? Do you intend on getting one ? What are your thoughts ?
How much are you getting paid? :D
I took this question/comment as a harmless joke, nothing more. He even added a smile to be clear that it was only a joke.
Exactly. And also, it wasn't "how much money do you earn?" as much as it was "how much is Behringer paying you for your shill services?" I thought it was funny.
But seriously, you get what you pay for. Somebody who makes it rain as hard as you do should know that. It's a fair question, but I suspect that exactly zero OB6 owners are going to be all, "Damn it, if I had only held out for the Behringer!!!"
Not sure about that. I guess I make it rain. So I may as well let it pour and tell you , thanks for playing and fall you a glorified paid rep for Behringer masquerading as. DSI user and see how you like it . And I’m sure there will be others who can quantify that the UBXA as to be MAYBE a superior synth of the OB6 by the mere price tag vs quality ratio ,
If you had a chance to check out the model D Behringer model , you must be surprised that they packed all that quality ; and I know a lot of people who always GASd over the model D , can get it for 1/10 of the price and regardless if it hurts the pockets of moog and potentially offended those who own the remake of the model D having paid $5k, I’m sure it would be upsetting to some of those users who have the real deal when a company comes out of thin air with a “clone” for 1/10 of the price that actually sounds more like it should cost sround 2-3k or more like in price range of the boutique range of synth .
It irked me . Bottom line . And I’m still going to buy a couple of them .
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I’m a road worker for the city.
“We built this city, we built this city on rock and roll”
-for real, we’ve built this city and its highways, roads, and institutional, commercial and industrial buildings and love what I do , love what I make, love the toys I get to acquire and love my 4 months off a year during the winter season to enjoy my toys .
Thumbs up!
To your original question–I don't think that the UB-Xa will be as easy to economize on, given the voltage-control requirements for the Curtis-style / CoolAudio replacements, as well as the requirements to:
- make sure that the unit functions at its most basic level
- research and enumerate the behavior of the original
- engineer whatever control is required to match / deviate from that behavior
- productize the unit so that it can be built in reasonable quantities while keeping the labor costs low, e.g., calibration and test
So I'd guess that (at eight voices) it would be no less expensive than the DeepMind 12D desktop to produce, and probably more. But I could be wrong.
Meanwhile, I've been jones-ing for an OB-6 for the last two years, but have been putting it off until it becomes the so-called "last piece of the puzzle". It's very well engineered for what it does, elegantly (if not deceptively) simple inside, and is exactly the sort of thing that could be purchased, used, and maintained without a hitch for the next two or three decades.
While that doesn't make the Behringer devices any less well-engineered by comparison, they're also much more recent an enterprise, so the verdict is still out longer-term.
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The Behringer may not have build quality or "name" factor but it will be closer to the classic OBXa than the OB-6. In fact it would actually be a lot closer to the REV2 than OB-6 as well.
I respect the OB-6 and maybe one day I may pick it up...but I ordered the Two Voice Pro instead because I already have a Prophet 6 and am also likely picking up a REV2...I just feel the OB-6 would be redundant at that point.
Honestly...I think if I were Behringer I would have started a subsidiary company to handle all the synth stuff because I think what's putting a lot of people off of anything they do is the name.
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So regardless of price , I will defiantly pick two of them up. Yes , two. One to keep in a box forever until they become a potential treasure , and one to play .
Buy one, save your money. A $500 Behringer knock-off isn't going to become a collectors item anytime soon, or anytime ever for that matter.
Buy it, enjoy it, make music. By the time it stops working, someone will have made something else you'll like more.
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So regardless of price , I will defiantly pick two of them up. Yes , two. One to keep in a box forever until they become a potential treasure , and one to play .
Buy one, save your money. A $500 Behringer knock-off isn't going to become a collectors item anytime soon, or anytime ever for that matter.
Buy it, enjoy it, make music. By the time it stops working, someone will have made something else you'll like more.
You really think so ? I kind of feel that maybe since Behringer hasn’t done anything of this quality that perhaps in a while , they will become sought after like old Japanese fender strats , compared to their American counterparts . I’m not banking on it , but I just feel since it’s a unique and completely out of line product that they’re producing , that it’ll be a rare item in the future because they only make sub par equipment and this stands out like a shining star from their other product lines ... but at the price range having the second one may serve as a backup for when it does break hehe
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The Behringer may not have build quality or "name" factor but it will be closer to the classic OBXa than the OB-6. In fact it would actually be a lot closer to the REV2 than OB-6 as well.
I respect the OB-6 and maybe one day I may pick it up...but I ordered the Two Voice Pro instead because I already have a Prophet 6 and am also likely picking up a REV2...I just feel the OB-6 would be redundant at that point.
Honestly...I think if I were Behringer I would have started a subsidiary company to handle all the synth stuff because I think what's putting a lot of people off of anything they do is the name.
Yeah! That’d be really smart . Usually when we hear Behringer we don’t think of high end quality gear , we think ... we’ll, other things , and not give it any attention. Having a different company shell their newer lines may have brought more attention to their product line . So I whole heartedly agree with you on that.
I heard their model D clone and to be honest it’s remarkable ! I was super impressed and for the price point it’ll bring in a lot of new business . I’m curious if moog had to agree with this or is scratching their head asking how can they market a product after a product we sell , being the model d reissue ( whether or not they stopped their production and are selling off their last few reissued ) but still to say this is a moog clone ... using their name, the sound they designed and trying to profit off that , by underhanding and charging 1/10 of the price just raises some questions ... what are your thoughts ?
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So regardless of price , I will defiantly pick two of them up. Yes , two. One to keep in a box forever until they become a potential treasure , and one to play .
Buy one, save your money. A $500 Behringer knock-off isn't going to become a collectors item anytime soon, or anytime ever for that matter.
Buy it, enjoy it, make music. By the time it stops working, someone will have made something else you'll like more.
And before I get them, for sure I’ll be bringing home an OB6. I absolutely adore and love it. LOVEEEE IT .
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The Behringer may not have build quality or "name" factor but it will be closer to the classic OBXa than the OB-6. In fact it would actually be a lot closer to the REV2 than OB-6 as well.
I respect the OB-6 and maybe one day I may pick it up...but I ordered the Two Voice Pro instead because I already have a Prophet 6 and am also likely picking up a REV2...I just feel the OB-6 would be redundant at that point.
Honestly...I think if I were Behringer I would have started a subsidiary company to handle all the synth stuff because I think what's putting a lot of people off of anything they do is the name.
Oh man! The two voice pro! What another wonderful piece of gear ! I saw it at the moog audio store here in Toronto , and I had never heard about it prior and hear that synth was nothing short of a exceptional experience .
I can’t wait to get the OB6. I can’t stress it enough that it’s defiently my next purchase. It’ll be on a two tier rack with my prophet 6, like brother and sister . The OB6 and prophet 6 layered together is something I’m looking forward to as well. Just absolutely stoked . I can’t wait
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The Behringer may not have build quality or "name" factor but it will be closer to the classic OBXa than the OB-6. In fact it would actually be a lot closer to the REV2 than OB-6 as well.
I respect the OB-6 and maybe one day I may pick it up...but I ordered the Two Voice Pro instead because I already have a Prophet 6 and am also likely picking up a REV2...I just feel the OB-6 would be redundant at that point.
Honestly...I think if I were Behringer I would have started a subsidiary company to handle all the synth stuff because I think what's putting a lot of people off of anything they do is the name.
Yeah! That’d be really smart . Usually when we hear Behringer we don’t think of high end quality gear , we think ... we’ll, other things , and not give it any attention. Having a different company shell their newer lines may have brought more attention to their product line . So I whole heartedly agree with you on that.
I heard their model D clone and to be honest it’s remarkable ! I was super impressed and for the price point it’ll bring in a lot of new business . I’m curious if moog had to agree with this or is scratching their head asking how can they market a product after a product we sell , being the model d reissue ( whether or not they stopped their production and are selling off their last few reissued ) but still to say this is a moog clone ... using their name, the sound they designed and trying to profit off that , by underhanding and charging 1/10 of the price just raises some questions ... what are your thoughts ?
I believe the design of the Minimoog had fallen out of copyright.
My thoughts are, Made In America comes at a cost, even Made In Japan does and a lot of companies are switching their manufacturing to China, Malaysia, Korea for cheaper labor costs and even manufacturing of parts. Am I expecting top quality when I get Behringer? I don't know. I had to send my Prophet 6 in to get a new board and that costs me $4k and was made in the USA. The Oberheim I just ordered had the whole bend box disengaged when I tried it at Moog Audio in Toronto and that was made in the states and cost $5k. Food for thought.
My thoughts are get what you want and approach music your own way. For me there's no sense in having both a Prophet 6 and OB-6 because then it becomes redundant in terms of features and function. Even a Deep Mind 12 would be redundant. A REV 2 is bitimbral...so I can justify that. Should the new Korg or possible Arturia poly offer something different then I may look at those. Same as if DSI came out with a new Poly Evolver. Hell, if Behringer comes out with an ARP 2600 clone or even Jupiter 8 clone I may even look at those. I would rather have variety in terms of capabilities with each synth doing it's own thing and set them all up like an orchestra rather than relying.
In my opinion I actually believe Arturia has surpassed Moog in terms of innovation and actually is more in tuned to what synth head's want. Moog is living off it's name and it's past....and I think that might be to their detriment...go ask Gibson why they are selling their legendary Memphis factory.
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I am definitely interested in this UBXA but 'probably' only if it has a keyboard with 61 keys and 8 voices. Depends on the price what I would put up with being left out.
The same reasons I never bought the OB6 with it's 6 voices and an octave missing. It seemed the design had more to do with stuffing it into an existing specification and box (pro6) than giving the world the best new poly Oberheim flavour.
My prophet 08 has been 100% reliable and I have never had anything to fault it. In fact, I still love it as much as they day I bought it. Fantastic synth.
The expected snide remarks we always see about Behringer quality after the issues I have read about concerning the Rev2 in here to me are a little out of order. I really wanted the Rev2 but still holding off. People having to leave deposits and send boards back (from the UK) and replace them at home etc is not exactly what I would expect. Good job that was not Behringer.
I have an OB8 and love it. Had it serviced in the last year. Started having a few gremlins again. Only to be expected and is part of ownership of a big old poly synth. If I can replace that with something similar that is new, it's a no brainer.
Anyway, we will see what if anything happens. People seem happy with that Model D remake they did and the one comparison clip I heard sounded very good. It is tiny though. Not what I expected them to bring out. Same with the announcement of the string machine vocoder. The photo shown has an octave missing from the original so no one will be replacing any vintage instrument with it. They have said that is just the initial mock up and they are listening to all feedback for features.
Always seems there is a fly in the ointment. One day, someone will nail it. :-)
Still exciting times still with companies looking back to the great old synths that are just too cost prohibitive to own these days.
Have to say, I was pleasantly surprised with the Sledge for the money.
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I'd love to have a full-sized Oberheim poly synth, but only if there were no shortcuts taken or compromises made in its production. That certainly includes a full five octaves of keys. And I'm willing to pay for it, too. Such a re-issue, or such a new design, would obviously be beyond Tom's capability these days. So, DSI still strikes me as the best choice for a combination of sound, size, capability, a classic-synth experience, and cost, especially regarding such instruments as the Prophet Rev2 and Prophet 12.
I jumped ( 8)) when the OB-6 first came out, but its moderately small size soon made me change my mind. I've always liked the Oberheim sound, but it doesn't look like a bona fide Oberheim is forthcoming. As for Behringer, I'll believe it when I hear it.
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The Behringer may not have build quality or "name" factor but it will be closer to the classic OBXa than the OB-6. In fact it would actually be a lot closer to the REV2 than OB-6 as well.
I respect the OB-6 and maybe one day I may pick it up...but I ordered the Two Voice Pro instead because I already have a Prophet 6 and am also likely picking up a REV2...I just feel the OB-6 would be redundant at that point.
Honestly...I think if I were Behringer I would have started a subsidiary company to handle all the synth stuff because I think what's putting a lot of people off of anything they do is the name.
Yeah! That’d be really smart . Usually when we hear Behringer we don’t think of high end quality gear , we think ... we’ll, other things , and not give it any attention. Having a different company shell their newer lines may have brought more attention to their product line . So I whole heartedly agree with you on that.
I heard their model D clone and to be honest it’s remarkable ! I was super impressed and for the price point it’ll bring in a lot of new business . I’m curious if moog had to agree with this or is scratching their head asking how can they market a product after a product we sell , being the model d reissue ( whether or not they stopped their production and are selling off their last few reissued ) but still to say this is a moog clone ... using their name, the sound they designed and trying to profit off that , by underhanding and charging 1/10 of the price just raises some questions ... what are your thoughts ?
I believe the design of the Minimoog had fallen out of copyright.
My thoughts are, Made In America comes at a cost, even Made In Japan does and a lot of companies are switching their manufacturing to China, Malaysia, Korea for cheaper labor costs and even manufacturing of parts. Am I expecting top quality when I get Behringer? I don't know. I had to send my Prophet 6 in to get a new board and that costs me $4k and was made in the USA. The Oberheim I just ordered had the whole bend box disengaged when I tried it at Moog Audio in Toronto and that was made in the states and cost $5k. Food for thought.
My thoughts are get what you want and approach music your own way. For me there's no sense in having both a Prophet 6 and OB-6 because then it becomes redundant in terms of features and function. Even a Deep Mind 12 would be redundant. A REV 2 is bitimbral...so I can justify that. Should the new Korg or possible Arturia poly offer something different then I may look at those. Same as if DSI came out with a new Poly Evolver. Hell, if Behringer comes out with an ARP 2600 clone or even Jupiter 8 clone I may even look at those. I would rather have variety in terms of capabilities with each synth doing it's own thing and set them all up like an orchestra rather than relying.
In my opinion I actually believe Arturia has surpassed Moog in terms of innovation and actually is more in tuned to what synth head's want. Moog is living off it's name and it's past....and I think that might be to their detriment...go ask Gibson why they are selling their legendary Memphis factory.
That’s just awful! Having the prophet 6 and OB two voice issues ...
I do think however the prophet 6 and OB 6 are very similar feature wise , but the subtle nuances in timbre for me personally are enough to grab both of them . I couldn’t settle for a funky synth patch on the prophet if I had the OB6, it just sounds better, same with more aggressive bass lines and leads for the OB6. Or FX.. I’d use the prophet 6 for more warm pads like spandau - ballet type sounds .. I find myself trying to create a sound on my prophet 6 and getting close to the ballpark , but when I do the same thing on the OB6, it just takes me there , it has that extra bit of magic , whether it’s because it’s brighter or the filter is different , to me , and not to most , it’s a got to have.
But I’m curious about the REV2, a lot of people say they can really get the same pallete of sound from the REV2 . But when I hear it compared to the OB6, I hear more body , warmth and character , or at least that’s what I’m convincing myself of .
And I have to agree , even though, and don’t get mad . I HATE computers , I HATE cell phones , and I HATE softsynths that Arturia softsynth has some really cool stuff. The moog model version kind of sucks the balls of god. The softsynth called LEGEND , does a wayyy better version. But the whole concept of get all the synths under one hood and they sound 70-80% authentic is remarkable , there’s even a soft synth that does thevProphet 5 and I could barely tell the difference when listening on my iPhone
And as everyone says , you can barely notice it in the mix .
But I’m telling you, I had a chance to use an axe fx 2 , and it sounds awesome , and in the mix it’s great, but I’m telling you there’s still something missing . It’s not the same as when I plug into my mesa boogie mark amp, with those tubes saturatinfband pushing air out the speaker , it’s an experience , and I love that about music .
BUT , let’s be honest at the end of the day, these are all just toys . Expensive ones though and regardless of instrument a good player can make a toaster sound good.and I say that in all honesty . I bought a fender squire 60s edition Strat. Bought it for $300 . I changed the decal , the bone nut, the pickups , bridge , tuners , pots , and had the frets on the side of the neck shaved , even for the neck buffed from the coating it originally had and out a tungsten gunstock oil , and had spent an extra $600 on it , so about $1000. And you wouldn’t believe how great that instrument played . Even compared to my Gibson 339, and SUHR, it’s absolutely undoubtedly top notch .
Jeez... went off on a. Tangent .
Gotta get me an OB6
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I'd love to have a full-sized Oberheim poly synth, but only if there were no shortcuts taken or compromises made in its production. That certainly includes a full five octaves of keys. And I'm willing to pay for it, too. Such a re-issue, or such a new design, would obviously be beyond Tom's capability these days. So, DSI still strikes me as the best choice for a combination of sound, capability, a classic-synth experience, and cost.
I jumped ( 8)) when the OB-6 first came out, but its moderately small size soon made me change my mind. I've always liked the Oberheim sound, but it doesn't look like a bona fide Oberheim is forthcoming. As for Behringer, I'll believe it when I hear it.
So , question ; is it possible to get a controller to your liking and couple it with that? Wouldn’t that be a good alternative ?
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My tongue-in-cheek remark was referring to the incentivized "street team" of a certain multinational manufacturer whose posts seem to bubble up on the user forums every time there's a new product pre-announced.
In my experience its a widely used marketing technique. Not to mention its application in other fields such as politics. I am pretty sure there are companies out there making a living from selling such "communication services" to others. In daily spoken language however such techniques better referred to as "manipulation".
The trouble with the B-word product announcement show is that they announce possible new products so far into the future and at such a low price point that it may cause customers to wait for the products to happen rather than to look for competing products. In that way B-word make competing products compete against expectations which can be a bit hard for their competitors. Makes one wonder how B-word products would be received if they announced them a few months before shipping just like the other companies do.
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My tongue-in-cheek remark was referring to the incentivized "street team" of a certain multinational manufacturer whose posts seem to bubble up on the user forums every time there's a new product pre-announced.
In my experience its a widely used marketing technique. Not to mention its application in other fields such as politics. I am pretty sure there are companies out there making a living from selling such "communication services" to others. In daily spoken language however such techniques better referred to as "manipulation".
The trouble with the B-word product announcement show is that they announce possible new products so far into the future and at such a low price point that it may cause customers to wait for the products to happen rather than to look for competing products. In that way B-word make competing products compete against expectations which can be a bit hard for their competitors. Makes one wonder how B-word products would be received if they announced them a few months before shipping just like the other companies do.
So what youre me telling is that I should request a payment from Behringer for doing their street team job?
Maybe even throw me a model D clone or UBXA for spreading the word without even realizing . Then I’ll sell it and buy an OB6. Nah I wouldn’t do that . I’m still getting both. I want that OB6, and the UBXA , and I’m going to keep one in a box for the purpose of it potentially becoming a sought after item . Or use it as a backup for when the other one breaks .
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So what youre me telling is that I should request a payment from Behringer for doing their street team job?
I am not writing anything specifically directed at you. It was only considerations on the general level about marketing in todays world and the behavior of a certain company. So not to worry! ;)
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On somewhat of a side note, I’d like to see Behringer innovate instead of copy. Sure, an OB-XA clone is great, but add features: more expanded mod-matrix, the Modal Electronics Animator is pure genius... but don’t just COPY. People won’t take you seriously.
And build the instruments at the quality level of what you’re copying. A $500 clone won’t sound as gorgeous as the old Oberheim or Moog. You can’t recreate quality instruments by cutting corners. Anyone who plays guitar knows the difference between a Squire and a Fender Custom Shop Strat. Different Worlds.
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On somewhat of a side note, I’d like to see Behringer innovate instead of copy. Sure, an OB-XA clone is great, but add features: more expanded mod-matrix, the Modal Electronics Animator is pure genius... but don’t just COPY. People won’t take you seriously.
And build the instruments at the quality level of what you’re copying. A $500 clone won’t sound as gorgeous as the old Oberheim or Moog. You can’t recreate quality instruments by cutting corners. Anyone who plays guitar knows the difference between a Squire and a Fender Custom Shop Strat. Different Worlds.
I play guitar . And I used to do cruise ship gigs, cocktail music, barnitzvahs weddings and my instrument was my lively hood.
The squier That I had upgraded had the exact same wood, and neck profile as a 60s Strat . With the modifications , it stood up against the other instruments I’ve owned . And it sounded as good as a Suhr guitar , other strats I’ve owned and other higher end instruments I’ve have .
But a stock squier isn’t the same as a fender strat , but there are some really cheesy American Stratocaster starting off at 1k that wouldn’t nearly match the squier I Frankensteined
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So what youre me telling is that I should request a payment from Behringer for doing their street team job?
I am not writing anything specifically directed at you. It was only considerations on the general level about marketing in todays world and the behavior of a certain company. So not to worry! ;)
I think I should . I already did the work . Lol
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The squier That I had upgraded had the exact same wood, and neck profile as a 60s Strat . With the modifications , it stood up against the other instruments I’ve owned . And it sounded as good as a Suhr guitar , other strats I’ve owned and other higher end instruments I’ve have .
But a stock squier isn’t the same as a fender strat , but there are some really cheesy American Stratocaster starting off at 1k that wouldn’t nearly match the squier I Frankensteined
We are in 100% agreement. I’ve made a few guitars and while not the prettiest, they always ended up among the best playing guitars that I own. But that extra effort that we put into those guitars added quality that was otherwise obviously lacking from a $300 off the rack monstrosity.
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The squier That I had upgraded had the exact same wood, and neck profile as a 60s Strat . With the modifications , it stood up against the other instruments I’ve owned . And it sounded as good as a Suhr guitar , other strats I’ve owned and other higher end instruments I’ve have .
But a stock squier isn’t the same as a fender strat , but there are some really cheesy American Stratocaster starting off at 1k that wouldn’t nearly match the squier I Frankensteined
We are in 100% agreement. I’ve made a few guitars and while not the prettiest, they always ended up among the best playing guitars that I own. But that extra effort that we put into those guitars added quality that was otherwise obviously lacking from a $300 off the rack monstrosity.
LOL yup!
Ahhh the GAS.
The suhrs, Anderson’s, Gibson’s, fenders and all the other instruments out there , what a wonderful world we live in
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On somewhat of a side note, I’d like to see Behringer innovate instead of copy. Sure, an OB-XA clone is great, but add features: more expanded mod-matrix, the Modal Electronics Animator is pure genius... but don’t just COPY. People won’t take you seriously.
And build the instruments at the quality level of what you’re copying. A $500 clone won’t sound as gorgeous as the old Oberheim or Moog. You can’t recreate quality instruments by cutting corners. Anyone who plays guitar knows the difference between a Squire and a Fender Custom Shop Strat. Different Worlds.
This. Why try and live someone else’s dream? They should be focusing on getting inspired by synths of the past and expand on them and innovate from them instead of doing low budget copies. Where’s the identity?
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My tongue-in-cheek remark was referring to the incentivized "street team" of a certain multinational manufacturer whose posts seem to bubble up on the user forums every time there's a new product pre-announced.
In my experience its a widely used marketing technique. Not to mention its application in other fields such as politics. I am pretty sure there are companies out there making a living from selling such "communication services" to others. In daily spoken language however such techniques better referred to as "manipulation".
The trouble with the B-word product announcement show is that they announce possible new products so far into the future and at such a low price point that it may cause customers to wait for the products to happen rather than to look for competing products. In that way B-word make competing products compete against expectations which can be a bit hard for their competitors. Makes one wonder how B-word products would be received if they announced them a few months before shipping just like the other companies do.
There is a term for that in the good ol' computer world: vaporware ... Promises are rarely kept when the very first version of the product / software is made available.
I made a choice last year to buy the Rev2 instead of the DM12, mainly based on recommendations of several shops (in two countries) and my own son. I am very grateful I listened. The Rev2 is my first DSI instrument and it made me want more DSI gear. A second hand Evolver came soon after and they are now my main work horses :).
Having said all that and following the Internet trail of reviews, videos and what not, I am starting to be more impressed with what Behringer is producing. Perhaps Behringer is not just looking at creating vaporware. They seem to be genuinely interested in customer input, but at the stage before going to market. The kind of support and help I have been getting from DSI with my Evolver is beyond excellent. I cannot see how Behringer can afford this quality of (individual) support for their existing synth products. The best they can do is offer quick and fast product replacements..... I believe fixing issues and providing long term reliability support won't be possible at that price point.
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Re: original post.
I like the attitude of taking things slowly, matching primary current needs or persistent, loud wants with existing options. There's definitely "change" in the forecast. Always is, though. And the response to it can have elements of both uneasiness & promise.
I look forward to DSI's pursuits. I value his past output & I am a fan. I appreciate what Uli Behringer is doing & proposing. I feel fortunate knowing that there exists today all I could want. Who knows if those items will be around if & when I ever have the opening for an addition or replacement. And I have no idea what my want will be then. ...
I do know ... humans simultaneously have a pull-push relationship with herds. Some more than others. And that will influence my want, the day one presents itself.
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Re: original post.
I like the attitude of taking things slowly, matching primary current needs or persistent, loud wants with existing options. There's definitely "change" in the forecast. Always is, though. And the response to it can have elements of both uneasiness & promise.
I look forward to DSI's pursuits. I value his past output & I am a fan. I appreciate what Uli Behringer is doing & proposing. I feel fortunate knowing that there exists today all I could want. Who knows if those items will be around if & when I ever have the opening for an addition or replacement. And I have no idea what my want will be then. ...
I do know ... humans simultaneously have a pull-push relationship with herds. Some more than others. And that will influence my want, the day one presents itself.
A wonderful way of thinking ,
Thanks for your thoughts yoda-synth :o
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I do know ... humans simultaneously have a pull-push relationship with herds.
I love your writing style, Dsetto. I vote the above quote the most outstanding and memorable line on the forum yet.
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I do know ... humans simultaneously have a pull-push relationship with herds.
I love your writing style, Dsetto. I vote the above quote the most outstanding and memorable line on the forum yet.
+1
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There is a term for that in the good ol' computer world: vaporware ... Promises are rarely kept when the very first version of the product / software is made available.
Indeed. But when announcing so far in advance its almost a "hey wait for us!" type of happening. So one could hope that potential customers develop a condition known as "vapor wear" which causes them to wait until the product actually is there before consider buying it.
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I've owed exactly 2 pieces of B-gear in the last 20 years. The first, a 6 out headphone amp, died very prematurely. Years later I find myself with the ADA-8200 and so far it has been uneventful. Does the job without having to think about it. Seems on par with my Saffire Pro 40 as far as signal to noise and stuff like that goes. So B-gear is 50/50 for me. I wasn't thinking of the D Clone as being something I would want...I have an original Model D in the studio already...but after hearing a few demos I think I will have to grab one. If for no other reason then solely as a back up for the Model D when it eventually fails. And fail it will. For the price and from what I heard, these things are going to be hard to keep in stock for any retailer.
As for the B-OB clone, if the price is right ($500-$800) I will acquire.
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Well, to reply to a lot of comments about so called vapourware, my Behringer Model D arrived today. Works fine, seems solidly built and most importantly, it sounds fantastic.
Roll on the UBX-a.
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Well, to reply to a lot of comments about so called vapourware, my Behringer Model D arrived today. Works fine, seems solidly built and most importantly, it sounds fantastic.
Roll on the UBX-a.
Vinny, where did you order your Behringer Model D from? It seems there is still some more waiting time here in the Netherlands .....
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Let's all be honest here.
As nice as the OB6 is. It's the OBXa that a lot of us REALLY wanted Dave and Tom to do. We wanted 5 octaves, we wanted bi timbrality, we wanted the synth that was used by Van Halen, Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, The Terminator soundtrack etc and if Behringer can deliver this to the synth world at a decent price...then I'd say good on them. This is sort of why I never gravitated towards an OB6...it's missing so much of what made the OBXa THE definitive polyphonic Oberheim. Yes the sound is very important but the OBXa was Curtis filter based not SEM based...so the REV2 is actually much closer to it.
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Well, to reply to a lot of comments about so called vapourware, my Behringer Model D arrived today. Works fine, seems solidly built and most importantly, it sounds fantastic.
Roll on the UBX-a.
Vinny, where did you order your Behringer Model D from? It seems there is still some more waiting time here in the Netherlands .....
I ordered it from Gear4Musuc last Wednesday I think. Arrived yesterday (Monday) and was strangely shipped from Sweden :-)
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Let's all be honest here.
As nice as the OB6 is. It's the OBXa that a lot of us REALLY wanted Dave and Tom to do. We wanted 5 octaves, we wanted bi timbrality, we wanted the synth that was used by Van Halen, Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, The Terminator soundtrack etc and if Behringer can deliver this to the synth world at a decent price...then I'd say good on them. This is sort of why I never gravitated towards an OB6...it's missing so much of what made the OBXa THE definitive polyphonic Oberheim. Yes the sound is very important but the OBXa was Curtis filter based not SEM based...so the REV2 is actually much closer to it.
Yes, that’s the whole reason I skipped on the OB6 too. Was so excited when they announced it too, then.....meh.
It promised only a small part of the dream of a new classic Oberheim poly.
The fact that due to the 6 voices and missing octave, you could not play most of the stuff that made the classic Oberheim polys famous, that was quite an oversight. All that compromise just to stuff it into an exsisting enclosure (Pro6).
Really hope Behringer nail this. Someone needs too. :)
I am already prepared for there to be a massive fly in the ointment though. There always is.
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Let's all be honest here.
As nice as the OB6 is. It's the OBXa that a lot of us REALLY wanted Dave and Tom to do. We wanted 5 octaves, we wanted bi timbrality, we wanted the synth that was used by Van Halen, Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, The Terminator soundtrack etc and if Behringer can deliver this to the synth world at a decent price...then I'd say good on them. This is sort of why I never gravitated towards an OB6...it's missing so much of what made the OBXa THE definitive polyphonic Oberheim. Yes the sound is very important but the OBXa was Curtis filter based not SEM based...so the REV2 is actually much closer to it.
Yes, that’s the whole reason I skipped on the OB6 too. Was so excited when they announced it too, then.....meh.
It promised only a small part of the dream of a new classic Oberheim poly.
The fact that due to the 6 voices and missing octave, you could not play most of the stuff that made the classic Oberheim polys famous, that was quite an oversight. All that compromise just to stuff it into an exsisting enclosure (Pro6).
Really hope Behringer nail this. Someone needs too. :)
I am already prepared for there to be a massive fly in the ointment though. There always is.
Yeah like I already got my Prophet 6 and was exceedingly happy with it. Probably my favorite synth of all time...then the OB6 was announced...my mind raced....8 voices? 10 voices? bi timbral? five octaves? Oh....it's just a Prophet 6 with SEM innards. That's neat I guess...but it would be redundant in my sett up.
Would I get an UBXa? Nah, I have my sets on the Prophet REV2 and I'd want to avoid getting another synth that does the same as the REV2. Now should Behringer do a DX7 type clone (Which honestly...they really should) then that would find itself right next to my analog gear.
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Let's all be honest here.
As nice as the OB6 is. It's the OBXa that a lot of us REALLY wanted Dave and Tom to do. We wanted 5 octaves, we wanted bi timbrality, we wanted the synth that was used by Van Halen, Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, The Terminator soundtrack etc and if Behringer can deliver this to the synth world at a decent price...then I'd say good on them. This is sort of why I never gravitated towards an OB6...it's missing so much of what made the OBXa THE definitive polyphonic Oberheim. Yes the sound is very important but the OBXa was Curtis filter based not SEM based...so the REV2 is actually much closer to it.
Well, before the OB-6 was announced there was actually very little discussion about an Oberheim poly synth reissue. Some people were still bummed by the shelved Son of Four Voice project and there was always a wish for a return of the Oberheim sound in the shape and form of a poly synth, but no-one expected DSI to take care of that, let alone anyone predicted or foresaw a collaboration between Dave and Tom. So the above-mentioned disappointment works only in retrospect. What might have triggered it, may be the OB-Xa color scheme that Dave and Tom decided upon, while the OB-6 should have probably looked more like an OB-X, which is indeed the only Oberheim synth the OB-6 is related to, not only because it's SEM-based, but also because of features like X-Mod. In a sense, the OB-6 was as much of a direct response to the Prophet-6, as the OB-X was to the Prophet-5. So that part might have caused a misconception for some, although Dave always said, "it's like 1979 again," which clearly refers to the OB-X. But no matter how you look at it, the poly synth that Dave and Tom worked upon would have always been an SEM-based machine, since that's the engine Tom considers to be sonically superior to all the other Oberheim synths.
(https://www.negativland.com/dumb/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/obxlarge.jpg)
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Let's all be honest here.
As nice as the OB6 is. It's the OBXa that a lot of us REALLY wanted Dave and Tom to do. We wanted 5 octaves, we wanted bi timbrality, we wanted the synth that was used by Van Halen, Simple Minds, Bon Jovi, The Terminator soundtrack etc and if Behringer can deliver this to the synth world at a decent price...then I'd say good on them. This is sort of why I never gravitated towards an OB6...it's missing so much of what made the OBXa THE definitive polyphonic Oberheim. Yes the sound is very important but the OBXa was Curtis filter based not SEM based...so the REV2 is actually much closer to it.
Well, before the OB-6 was announced there was actually very little discussion about an Oberheim poly synth reissue. Some people were still bummed by the shelved Son of Four Voice project and there was always a wish for a return of the Oberheim sound in the shape and form of a poly synth, but no-one expected DSI to take care of that, let alone anyone predicted or foresaw a collaboration between Dave and Tom. So the above-mentioned disappointment works only in retrospect. What might have triggered it, may be the OB-Xa color scheme that Dave and Tom decided upon, while the OB-6 should have probably looked more like an OB-X, which is indeed the only Oberheim synth the OB-6 is related to, not only because it's SEM-based, but also because of features like X-Mod. In a sense, the OB-6 was as much of a direct response to the Prophet-6, as the OB-X was to the Prophet-5. So that part might have caused a misconception for some, although Dave always said, "it's like 1979 again," which clearly refers to the OB-X. But no matter how you look at it, the poly synth that Dave and Tom worked upon would have always been an SEM-based machine, since that's the engine Tom considers to be sonically superior to all the other Oberheim synths.
(https://www.negativland.com/dumb/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/obxlarge.jpg)
I guess that's true and the OBX was only monotimbral if I remember correctly? I think it only got bi timbral with the OBXa.
Regardless the OB-6 is nice and it sounds great...which really should be the main selling point I just wish it wasn't so redundant to the Prophet 6 but then I guess the OBX was redundant to the Prophet-5 in a sense as well. Would have been so amazing if they included the original Oberheim bender so you could bend each VCO individually.
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Would I get an UBXa? Nah, I have my sets on the Prophet REV2 and I'd want to avoid getting another synth that does the same as the REV2. Now should Behringer do a DX7 type clone (Which honestly...they really should) then that would find itself right next to my analog gear.
Well, I have a Pro 08 and an OB8. While there are a few little areas where they can sound similar, there are just so many sounds on the Oberheim that my Pro08 cannot get near to at all. I know they both use Curtis chips but both synths do have a different sound that each are good at and the Pro 08 has much more sound shaping options. Saying that, the Oberheim just sounds great and I find it so much quicker to get a sound on.
So, if Behringer nail this one, I will be having one and keeping the Pro 08 too (also have a DX5 and a TX816 for all those FM sounds).
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I guess that's true and the OBX was only monotimbral if I remember correctly? I think it only got bi timbral with the OBXa.
Regardless the OB-6 is nice and it sounds great...which really should be the main selling point I just wish it wasn't so redundant to the Prophet 6 but then I guess the OBX was redundant to the Prophet-5 in a sense as well. Would have been so amazing if they included the original Oberheim bender so you could bend each VCO individually.
That's true, the OB-X was monotimbral, but it also added features on top of what the Prophet-5 was capable of. Amongst those were more voices, a stereo output, and voice panning.
What if the OB-6 looked like this?
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I guess that's true and the OBX was only monotimbral if I remember correctly? I think it only got bi timbral with the OBXa.
Regardless the OB-6 is nice and it sounds great...which really should be the main selling point I just wish it wasn't so redundant to the Prophet 6 but then I guess the OBX was redundant to the Prophet-5 in a sense as well. Would have been so amazing if they included the original Oberheim bender so you could bend each VCO individually.
That's true, the OB-X was monotimbral, but it also added features on top of what the Prophet-5 was capable of. Amongst those were more voices, a stereo output, and voice panning.
What if the OB-6 looked like this?
Put those Oberheim benders on there and I’d get it in a heartbeat.
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Well, to reply to a lot of comments about so called vapourware, my Behringer Model D arrived today. Works fine, seems solidly built and most importantly, it sounds fantastic.
Roll on the UBX-a.
Vinny, where did you order your Behringer Model D from? It seems there is still some more waiting time here in the Netherlands .....
I ordered it from Gear4Musuc last Wednesday I think. Arrived yesterday (Monday) and was strangely shipped from Sweden :-)
Thanks Vinny, not available yet until beginning of March in Dutch webshops. We seem to be very low down in the pecking order .... Next week I'll be in Munich, I stop by a music store I know over there and have a fiddle if they have it in stock. It goes for about 340 Euros, bit higher than the 299 I saw advertised a while ago.
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Behringer Model D:
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BehringerD--behringer-model-d-analog-synthesizer
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I've been watching and occasionally commenting on all this Behringer clone discussion across the web and it wasn't until this thread someone mentioning that the UBXA won't become a 'classic' the way the original did that I remembered the Realistic Concertmate MG1. Those still show up on the 2nd market every so often and still command a rather high price for a Realistic synth. Admittedly it's not a clone of any Moog in particular, but it's interesting to see Peter Gabriel on the list of users considering he was also a Fairlight owner. I've heard one in real life and they kicked arse for what they were.
Realistic did heaps of 'clones' of Casiotones in the 80's, albeit with the blessings of Casio. In that way there is a little bit of a difference there to what Behringer is doing now, but those Casiotones they reproduced were pretty much beginners keyboards and are hardly 80's classics now (if indeed they are still running). That said, I really do miss my old Realistic sampling keyboard and still curse that person who poured water over it to stop her kids annoy her with it (you could have just taken the batteries out!).
Another consideration is, if they are all circuitry and the are going to be (relatively) cheap, there will most definitely be mods being propose for it from day one. Interesting times.
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I've been watching and occasionally commenting on all this Behringer clone discussion across the web and it wasn't until this thread someone mentioning that the UBXA won't become a 'classic' the way the original did that I remembered the Realistic Concertmate MG1. Those still show up on the 2nd market every so often and still command a rather high price for a Realistic synth. Admittedly it's not a clone of any Moog in particular, but it's interesting to see Peter Gabriel on the list of users considering he was also a Fairlight owner. I've heard one in real life and they kicked arse for what they were.
Realistic did heaps of 'clones' of Casiotones in the 80's, albeit with the blessings of Casio. In that way there is a little bit of a difference there to what Behringer is doing now, but those Casiotones they reproduced were pretty much beginners keyboards and are hardly 80's classics now (if indeed they are still running). That said, I really do miss my old Realistic sampling keyboard and still curse that person who poured water over it to stop her kids annoy her with it (you could have just taken the batteries out!).
Another consideration is, if they are all circuitry and the are going to be (relatively) cheap, there will most definitely be mods being propose for it from day one. Interesting times.
The Concertmate MG-1 was manufactured by Moog, and was an actual Bob Moog design sketch:
(http://i0.wp.com/moogfoundation.org/assets/300-midget.jpg?w=1000)
so certainly not a clone.
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It begins....
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Honestly....if they can pull off the sound....they nailed everything else and even put 5 octaves on the thing to ensure that JUMP is the first patch you play.
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Honestly....if they can pull off the sound....they nailed everything else and even put 5 octaves on the thing to ensure that JUMP is the first patch you play.
Well, I will definitely be having one of these now. So great they listened to everyone about the 5 octave keyboard. Brilliant.
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Honestly....if they can pull off the sound....they nailed everything else and even put 5 octaves on the thing to ensure that JUMP is the first patch you play.
Well, I will definitely be having one of these now. So great they listened to everyone about the 5 octave keyboard. Brilliant.
Well it's bi-timbral. I think Four octaves is fine for monotimbrality but once you start getting into splits and layers you need 5.
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The fact they got the Oberheim benders is also a huge selling point for me
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I think if they were smart they would go for Jupiter 8 and DX7 clones next. I would think there's more of a demand for those than the OBXa to be honest.
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I think if they were smart they would go for Jupiter 8 and DX7 clones next. I would think there's more of a demand for those than the OBXa to be honest.
...but more of an opportunity to leverage the Oberheim trademarks once the bankers come calling for Gibson.
And I've yet to see anyone clamoring for DX7 clones; there are tons of used ones out there (especially mk I units).
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I think if they were smart they would go for Jupiter 8 and DX7 clones next. I would think there's more of a demand for those than the OBXa to be honest.
...but more of an opportunity to leverage the Oberheim trademarks once the bankers come calling for Gibson.
And I've yet to see anyone clamoring for DX7 clones; there are tons of used ones out there (especially mk I units).
A lot of people are asking for a new FM synth from Yamaha that isn’t the Montage. Yamaha publically said they have no interest in that...so time for someone else to cater to that market.
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Would it be smart for DSI to rush out a 5 octave, 8 voice, bitimbral OB-8/12 like right now? Once the Behringer is out, will the window be gone?
DSI would have to have a good bump in price to cover that though.
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Would it be smart for DSI to rush out a 5 octave, 8 voice, bitimbral OB-8/12 like right now? Once the Behringer is out, will the window be gone?
DSI would have to have a good bump in price to cover that though.
Nah. Let DSI move forward with new things.
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Nah. Let DSI move forward with new things.
Agreed. Plus DSI can't/doesn't just "rush out" instruments. Whatever is coming next will have been in the design / R&D pipeline for months by the time it is released.
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
Personally speaking, I'm a bit burnt out of acquiring analog synths. Unless they can offer something mindblowing like onboard MPE keyboard or multitimbrality I don't really have any interest in getting another analog synth. I got a Prophet 6, Moog Sub 37, the Oberheim Two Voice Pro is on it's way and I'll likely grab an 8 Voice Rev 2. I would greatly appreciate other synthesis at this point. FM, Wavetable, Samplers etc. Yeah there's options out there for it but I'd like to see DSI try their hand at something new this time around. With Behringer now teasing a Jupiter 8 clone I think that DSI is going to have to offer something a bit more than another analog poly synth.
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
Personally speaking, I'm a bit burnt out of acquiring analog synths. Unless they can offer something mindblowing like onboard MPE keyboard or multitimbrality I don't really have any interest in getting another analog synth. I got a Prophet 6, Moog Sub 37, the Oberheim Two Voice Pro is on it's way and I'll likely grab an 8 Voice Rev 2. I would greatly appreciate other synthesis at this point. FM, Wavetable, Samplers etc. Yeah there's options out there for it but I'd like to see DSI try their hand at something new this time around. With Behringer now teasing a Jupiter 8 clone I think that DSI is going to have to offer something a bit more than another analog poly synth.
...you’re talking up the new Waldorf Quantum now....
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
Personally speaking, I'm a bit burnt out of acquiring analog synths. Unless they can offer something mindblowing like onboard MPE keyboard or multitimbrality I don't really have any interest in getting another analog synth. I got a Prophet 6, Moog Sub 37, the Oberheim Two Voice Pro is on it's way and I'll likely grab an 8 Voice Rev 2. I would greatly appreciate other synthesis at this point. FM, Wavetable, Samplers etc. Yeah there's options out there for it but I'd like to see DSI try their hand at something new this time around. With Behringer now teasing a Jupiter 8 clone I think that DSI is going to have to offer something a bit more than another analog poly synth.
...you’re talking up the new Waldorf Quantum now....
You know I hate to say it but I'm not that impressed with the Quantum from what I've heard and I hate the touch screen.
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
Personally speaking, I'm a bit burnt out of acquiring analog synths. Unless they can offer something mindblowing like onboard MPE keyboard or multitimbrality I don't really have any interest in getting another analog synth. I got a Prophet 6, Moog Sub 37, the Oberheim Two Voice Pro is on it's way and I'll likely grab an 8 Voice Rev 2. I would greatly appreciate other synthesis at this point. FM, Wavetable, Samplers etc. Yeah there's options out there for it but I'd like to see DSI try their hand at something new this time around. With Behringer now teasing a Jupiter 8 clone I think that DSI is going to have to offer something a bit more than another analog poly synth.
...you’re talking up the new Waldorf Quantum now....
You know I hate to say it but I'm not that impressed with the Quantum from what I've heard and I hate the touch screen.
Very puzzled by the fact that we have no official demos of the Quantum... huh?
Back to the UB-XA, where are you guys getting information on this?
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I think a very easily programmable FM synth with full sized keys is enticing. I greatly prefer the flavor of the P12 sine wave to that of the Montage.
Personally speaking, I'm a bit burnt out of acquiring analog synths. Unless they can offer something mindblowing like onboard MPE keyboard or multitimbrality I don't really have any interest in getting another analog synth. I got a Prophet 6, Moog Sub 37, the Oberheim Two Voice Pro is on it's way and I'll likely grab an 8 Voice Rev 2. I would greatly appreciate other synthesis at this point. FM, Wavetable, Samplers etc. Yeah there's options out there for it but I'd like to see DSI try their hand at something new this time around. With Behringer now teasing a Jupiter 8 clone I think that DSI is going to have to offer something a bit more than another analog poly synth.
...you’re talking up the new Waldorf Quantum now....
You know I hate to say it but I'm not that impressed with the Quantum from what I've heard and I hate the touch screen.
Very puzzled by the fact that we have no official demos of the Quantum... huh?
Back to the UB-XA, where are you guys getting information on this?
Behringer seems to be well connected with Mr. Firechild who has already demoed the VP 340 for them. Likely we'll see a UBXA demo from him in the next month or so.
They also just teased a Jupiter 8 clone.
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Behringer is doing to the music market what Michael Dell did to the PC market in the 80s, it's a predictable business play. He's innovating on the business side (manufacturing and marketing) to sell other people's ideas. The fact that Moog as a company still focuses on quality and paying American works a fair wage gives people who can afford it a choice. Behringer is giving choices to all the people who *can't* afford a Moog. The difference between a modern Minimoog and B-Model D, other than the physical size and quality, come down mostly to price and concerns about social justice. If you can afford and are willing to pay for social justice (fair wages, profiting from your own ideas instead of others', etc), and you have room for a Minimoog, cool. If you can't afford to pay for those things, even if you would like to, or you prefer the smaller form factor of a B-Model D, then there you go.
Many of these same sentiments apply to Oberheim and Dave, with the differences that they're both still alive (thank my PEK! (which is God)), and due to my own ignorance, I can't say for certain if they do their manufacturing in the US and make a point to pay liveable wages across their supply chain.
But in the end, Behringer's play is to the low end hobbyist market, so I don't think they'll ever be a real threat to companies that prioritize quality. The Model D does sound great, and I plan on buying one and would keep it even if I can someday afford a Minimoog, but I'll never revere it in the same way I revere my PEK or OB6.
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I think if they were smart they would go for Jupiter 8 and DX7 clones next. I would think there's more of a demand for those than the OBXa to be honest.
...but more of an opportunity to leverage the Oberheim trademarks once the bankers come calling for Gibson.
And I've yet to see anyone clamoring for DX7 clones; there are tons of used ones out there (especially mk I units).
If I didn't already have (formerly Robert Rich's!) DX7ii, I would be open to an UPDATED DX7, with a touchscreen interface for programming it like the iOS FM apps, the DX7's keyboard and hopefully... under 20 lbs. Or really rather an updated SY77 or maybe an FS1R keyboard with above features. You can get close with an iPad and good keyboard, but there is something to be said for having an all-in-one dedicated instrument.
Yamaha is daft for ignoring this potential right now.
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Behringer is doing to the music market what Michael Dell did to the PC market in the 80s, it's a predictable business play. He's innovating on the business side (manufacturing and marketing) to sell other people's ideas. The fact that Moog as a company still focuses on quality and paying American works a fair wage gives people who can afford it a choice. Behringer is giving choices to all the people who *can't* afford a Moog. The difference between a modern Minimoog and B-Model D, other than the physical size and quality, come down mostly to price and concerns about social justice. If you can afford and are willing to pay for social justice (fair wages, profiting from your own ideas instead of others', etc), and you have room for a Minimoog, cool. If you can't afford to pay for those things, even if you would like to, or you prefer the smaller form factor of a B-Model D, then there you go.
Many of these same sentiments apply to Oberheim and Dave, with the differences that they're both still alive (thank my PEK! (which is God)), and due to my own ignorance, I can't say for certain if they do their manufacturing in the US and make a point to pay liveable wages across their supply chain.
But in the end, Behringer's play is to the low end hobbyist market, so I don't think they'll ever be a real threat to companies that prioritize quality. The Model D does sound great, and I plan on buying one and would keep it even if I can someday afford a Minimoog, but I'll never revere it in the same way I revere my PEK or OB6.
I think what Behringer are doing is listening to a lot of synth fans yearning for new Jupiter 8s from Roland or new DX7s from Yamaha or OBXa reissues instead of OB6s and delivering those at an affordable rate.
Yamaha responded to me about doing a new DX or at least an FMX only synth and they flat out said “we would never live in the past or bother with any reissues or catering to old technologies”
I responded “Then what is the Reface line exactly?”
They then proceeded to tell me I was being aggressive.
Same situation with the Roland V Piano. I inquired if I could still purchase a new one and they kept pushing their RD2000 model. I told them I wasn’t impressed and keybed was awful. They said I was wrong. I showed them a video of exactly how poor the keybed was and they insisted I was making it up! I eventually just ended up getting one second hand.
It’s things like that make me hope Uli eats Roland and Yamaha’s lunch.
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They then proceeded to tell me I was being aggressive.
Ha.... Japanese Millenials.
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Yamaha responded to me about doing a new DX or at least an FMX only synth and they flat out said “we would never live in the past or bother with any reissues or catering to old technologies”
I responded “Then what is the Reface line exactly?”
They then proceeded to tell me I was being aggressive.
Same situation with the Roland V Piano. I inquired if I could still purchase a new one and they kept pushing their RD2000 model. I told them I wasn’t impressed and keybed was awful. They said I was wrong. I showed them a video of exactly how poor the keybed was and they insisted I was making it up! I eventually just ended up getting one second hand.
It’s things like that make me hope Uli eats Roland and Yamaha’s lunch.
Now there's a bit of serious negative advertising! Great story. I had a good laugh over it. I've never owned anything by Yamaha except a recorder, and I think I'll keep it that way.
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Yamaha responded to me about doing a new DX or at least an FMX only synth and they flat out said “we would never live in the past or bother with any reissues or catering to old technologies”
I responded “Then what is the Reface line exactly?”
They then proceeded to tell me I was being aggressive.
Same situation with the Roland V Piano. I inquired if I could still purchase a new one and they kept pushing their RD2000 model. I told them I wasn’t impressed and keybed was awful. They said I was wrong. I showed them a video of exactly how poor the keybed was and they insisted I was making it up! I eventually just ended up getting one second hand.
It’s things like that make me hope Uli eats Roland and Yamaha’s lunch.
Now there's a bit of serious negative advertising! Great story. I had a good laugh over it. I've never owned anything by Yamaha except a recorder, and I think I'll keep it that way.
They don't care about negative advertising.
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Yamaha responded to me about doing a new DX or at least an FMX only synth and they flat out said “we would never live in the past or bother with any reissues or catering to old technologies”
I responded “Then what is the Reface line exactly?”
They then proceeded to tell me I was being aggressive.
Never mind the Reface line, this is hilarious because their current flagship, the Montage, incorporates the exact same FM implementation used in the FS1R from 20 years ago (minus the formant synthesis). And they made quite a thing about the fact you can convert programs from the DX7 / DX7ii / DX7s / TX802 / TX816 to use with it.
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It was bound to happen.
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/03/behringer-teases-an-sequential-circuits-pro-one-synthesizer-clone.html
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
Maybe we will actually see the UBXA actually be called an OBERHEIM OBXa.
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
Maybe we will actually see the UBXA actually be called an OBERHEIM OBXa.
Anyone can register a trademark, but there are several other entities--including Gibson, which purchased Oberheim Electronics as it went bankrupt--that also registered Oberheim. It would take some balls, and I bet there'd be a fight over it.
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Why not "Uberheim" instead? It seems like an obvious alteration.
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
Maybe we will actually see the UBXA actually be called an OBERHEIM OBXa.
Anyone can register a trademark, but there are several other entities--including Gibson, which purchased Oberheim Electronics as it went bankrupt--that also registered Oberheim. It would take some balls, and I bet there'd be a fight over it.
It might actually work in Behringer's favor that Gibson has many other problems right now. Probably the least of their concerns is to keep the Oberheim trademark. They might even be advised to get rid of everything non-guitar-related.
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
Maybe we will actually see the UBXA actually be called an OBERHEIM OBXa.
Anyone can register a trademark, but there are several other entities--including Gibson, which purchased Oberheim Electronics as it went bankrupt--that also registered Oberheim. It would take some balls, and I bet there'd be a fight over it.
Yeah Gibson can try and sue with their $500 Million debt.
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/music-group-ip-ltd-3544446/
Maybe we will actually see the UBXA actually be called an OBERHEIM OBXa.
Anyone can register a trademark, but there are several other entities--including Gibson, which purchased Oberheim Electronics as it went bankrupt--that also registered Oberheim. It would take some balls, and I bet there'd be a fight over it.
Yeah Gibson can try and sue with their $500 Million debt.
Right. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Why not "Uberheim" instead? It seems like an obvious alteration.
OBehreimger if you overthink about it.