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OTHER DISCUSSIONS => General Synthesis => Other Hardware/Software => Topic started by: LoboLives on November 21, 2017, 08:35:11 AM
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Korg is slated to bring out a new Polysynth but what are some other ideas/wishes/predictions you all have?
Arturia-Polybrute. A four or six voice polyphonic synth with the same VCOs and filters found in the Matrixbrute.
Roger Linn-
1.) A box that's similar to the Andrenalinn guitar pedals but instead of guitar tones it features MPE supported sound samples (Saxophone, Violin, Harmonica etc) to be played with the Linnstrument. Thus making the Linnstrument somewhat standalone without the need to plug into a computer or external synth.
2.) The Linn Drum II. Not sure what exactly it will entail but I'm assuming it'll be much more digital oriented than analog just to differentiate it from the Tempest
3.) I would also like to see another LINN/SMITH collaboration but this time take the expressiveness of the Linnstrument and somehow put it inside a new DSI synth. Not sure exactly how that would work but it would give the same level of expressiveness that a CS-80 had.
KORG
-My money is still on an eight or ten voice analog poly synth that's hopefully bitimral.
Moog
-Nothing. LOL
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Korg P******* analog or hybrid poly synth. Could still be anything. Either something full-sized based on the Minilogue and Monologue, or a hybrid follow-up to the King Korg.
Arturia could very well be cooking up an analog poly as well. They definitely have a new synth coming up.
Dunno about Roger Linn. The next bigger project might be the long planned LinnDrum II, but that may still take a while.
Yamaha could finally release the FM half of the Montage, but I assume that won't happen. (Not that I lose any sleep over this.)
Roland might come out with more cloud stuff and an ACB-based flagship because the Jupiter-80 and 50 have just been discontinued. (Again, nothing that I find too exciting anyway.)
Moog? - No idea, really. I don't expect huge news yet, as the Subsequent 37 has just been released. Maybe rather around the time of the next Moogfest.
Elektron might have the Rytm MKII ready by then, although it should start shipping by the end of this month already. With all of their MKII releases, I don't expect any major news in January. Maybe a new keyboard version of the Analog Four.
I'm curious whether this young designer made any progress on the Relic-6.
Not sure about the dozens of really small manufacturers or software. There's simply too much and the interesting stuff also doesn't always lead to big headlines. I'm looking forward to Nick Batt's coverage, though.
It's going to be interesting to see whether anything will indicate if the whole analog market may be hitting the point of oversaturation soon.
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Korg P******* analog or hybrid poly synth. Could still be anything. Either something full-sized based on the Minilogue and Monologue, or a hybrid follow-up to the King Korg.
Arturia could very well be cooking up an analog poly as well. They definitely have a new synth coming up.
Dunno about Roger Linn. The next bigger project might be the long planned LinnDrum II, but that may still take a while.
Yamaha could finally release the FM half of the Montage, but I assume that won't happen. (Not that I lose any sleep over this.)
Roland might come out with more cloud stuff and an ACB-based flagship because the Jupiter-80 and 50 have just been discontinued. (Again, nothing that I find too exciting anyway.)
Moog? - No idea, really. I don't expect huge news yet, as the Subsequent 37 has just been released. Maybe rather around the time of the next Moogfest.
Elektron might have the Rytm MKII ready by then, although it should start shipping by the end of this month already. With all of their MKII releases, I don't expect any major news in January. Maybe a new keyboard version of the Analog Four.
I'm curious whether this young designer made any progress on the Relic-6.
Not sure about the dozens of really small manufacturers or software. There's simply too much and the interesting stuff also doesn't always lead to big headlines. I'm looking forward to Nick Batt's coverage, though.
It's going to be interesting to see whether anything will indicate if the whole analog market may be hitting the point of oversaturation soon.
It has hit oversaturation just not in the right way (mono synths, volca series gizmos and mini Keys) perhaps though this was all about testing the water and getting some income to build bigger things.
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It has hit oversaturation just not in the right way (mono synths, volca series gizmos and mini Keys) perhaps though this was all about testing the water and getting some income to build bigger things.
The monosynth craze is hitting critical mass. It's like going to buy an acoustic guitar; you can buy one for under 100 moneys that may be clunky, awkward to play and dubious sounding, but you can get one for under 100 moneys. Or you can get one for 20x that.
With regards to Korg; I like to think things like the Volcas are market-researching hors d'oeuvres. The only really complete product from that range is the Kick, with all the other boxes being basically advanced Monotrons. The miniKeys are definitely in for the long haul from what I can see. I like that they seem to have finished with their re-issues and re-imaginings and are looking forward not backwards.
Korg P******* analog or hybrid poly synth. Could still be anything. Either something full-sized based on the Minilogue and Monologue, or a hybrid follow-up to the King Korg.
Arturia could very well be cooking up an analog poly as well. They definitely have a new synth coming up.
Dunno about Roger Linn. The next bigger project might be the long planned LinnDrum II, but that may still take a while.
Yamaha could finally release the FM half of the Montage, but I assume that won't happen. (Not that I lose any sleep over this.)
Roland might come out with more cloud stuff and an ACB-based flagship because the Jupiter-80 and 50 have just been discontinued. (Again, nothing that I find too exciting anyway.)
Moog? - No idea, really. I don't expect huge news yet, as the Subsequent 37 has just been released. Maybe rather around the time of the next Moogfest.
Elektron might have the Rytm MKII ready by then, although it should start shipping by the end of this month already. With all of their MKII releases, I don't expect any major news in January. Maybe a new keyboard version of the Analog Four.
I'm curious whether this young designer made any progress on the Relic-6.
Not sure about the dozens of really small manufacturers or software. There's simply too much and the interesting stuff also doesn't always lead to big headlines. I'm looking forward to Nick Batt's coverage, though.
It's going to be interesting to see whether anything will indicate if the whole analog market may be hitting the point of oversaturation soon.
Arturia are due a new hardware product and I'm hoping they are feeling the hybrid call with a combination of the Origin and their Brute series forth coming. I am really looking forward to a KeyStep Pro or a step-sequencing workstation that has the Key Step and Beat Step concepts mushed together on a KeyLab or even MiniLab controller. I find Arturia's mini keys on the Key Step are very playable with my long skeletal fingers and being a step sequencer, it's not like accuracy of playing is really a concern. Currently my Key Step and BSP are sitting on a custom stand and used basically as one unit.
I'm with you on the idea of letting Nick tell me all about what's good from the smaller peeps, heheh.
In my mind, the resurgence of analogue effects combined with Roland scrambling to catch up to Korg and Yamaha's 'member-berry releases in glorious analogue formats, the indicator of critical mass has already arrived. The Peak I hope is a sign of what we will be seeing more of, not the SE-02.
Boutiques have attained that "okay you can stop now" status. Too many one man operations for the level of pokemon synth buyers in today's market (gotta catch them all!) and it's ushering in a acceptance of shitty plastic boxes for housing of perceived artisan synths, not to mention one-man support is always slow. Please modular world, keep your musings in your racks unless you are willing to work with wood or steel! I don't want it to stop really, it's put the wind up the big guys in a good way, but I want it evolve into a mature subset of a mature market. Put the prices up and remove the toy element and we are at where Elektron started their climb to greatness.
(whatever happened with Paul Maddox's wave I wonder....ooh he has an entry in Wikipedia, cool!)
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It has hit oversaturation just not in the right way (mono synths, volca series gizmos and mini Keys) perhaps though this was all about testing the water and getting some income to build bigger things.
I like that they seem to have finished with their re-issues and re-imaginings and are looking forward not backwards.
I still would like to see them utilize the ARP name though. Seems like a waste to do it as a one off.
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It has hit oversaturation just not in the right way (mono synths, volca series gizmos and mini Keys) perhaps though this was all about testing the water and getting some income to build bigger things.
I like that they seem to have finished with their re-issues and re-imaginings and are looking forward not backwards.
I still would like to see them utilize the ARP name though. Seems like a waste to do it as a one off.
Oh for sure, I'd not turn my nose up at a 2600 in full size, just don't want a new century Poly800.
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It has hit oversaturation just not in the right way (mono synths, volca series gizmos and mini Keys) perhaps though this was all about testing the water and getting some income to build bigger things.
I like that they seem to have finished with their re-issues and re-imaginings and are looking forward not backwards.
I still would like to see them utilize the ARP name though. Seems like a waste to do it as a one off.
Oh for sure, I'd not turn my nose up at a 2600 in full size, just don't want a new century Poly800.
I dunno a bi-timbral 8-10 voice full sized minilogue sounds nice but honestly I think they would have more success with the ARP name alone be it the 2600, Quadra, Chroma etc.
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I dunno a bi-timbral 8-10 voice full sized minilogue sounds nice but honestly I think they would have more success with the ARP name alone be it the 2600, Quadra, Chroma etc.
As the whole ARP revival by Korg only included reissues (with the exception of the Odyssey desktop module), I can't really see any of that happening. A 2600 at most for popularity reasons - the other two have only a rather small fanclub compared to how many people enjoy other classic synths.
One thing to consider, though, is that the Odysseys didn't sell as well as the MS-20 Minis, mainly due to their higher price and partially the more unfamiliar interface. I can remember very well when retailers were telling me they'd be priced too high and only collect dust in the stores (the price was lowered by Korg after a while). Even a shrunken 2600 would still be more expensive than the standard Odysseys Korg re-released, so I remain skeptical about any further KARP products. You can even still get the limited FS models, which tells a lot I think.
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With regards to Korg; I like to think things like the Volcas are market-researching hors d'oeuvres. The only really complete product from that range is the Kick, with all the other boxes being basically advanced Monotrons.
All Volcas really go far beyond the Monotron and they were meant to be complementary from the get-go: Bass synth, poly synth, drum machine. Then you also have the sample and FM models. Their whole purpose was to make accessible instruments for musicians who can't afford expensive mono or poly synths, and in that Korg succeeded.
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I dunno a bi-timbral 8-10 voice full sized minilogue sounds nice but honestly I think they would have more success with the ARP name alone be it the 2600, Quadra, Chroma etc.
As the whole ARP revival by Korg only included reissues (with the exception of the Odyssey desktop module), I can't really see any of that happening. A 2600 at most for popularity reasons - the other two have only a rather small fanclub compared to how many people enjoy other classic synths.
One thing to consider, though, is that the Odysseys didn't sell as well as the MS-20 Minis, mainly due to their higher price and partially the more unfamiliar interface. I can remember very well when retailers were telling me they'd be priced too high and only collect dust in the stores (the price was lowered by Korg after a while). Even a shrunken 2600 would still be more expensive than the standard Odysseys Korg re-released, so I remain skeptical about any further KARP products. You can even still get the limited FS models, which tells a lot I think.
At $1600 for the FS units, you're almost into original vintage, Pratt-Read keybed territory–which might be part of the reason that their uptake (FS units, anyway) has been so slow. At $1200 or less, they're a bit more reasonable....
Also, I've seen the 86% keyboard units in the sub-$600 range in decent used condition, nearly $1K less than their FS equivalents.
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Moog
-Nothing. LOL
Obviously not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq7zUKEcyzI
So according to Amos Gaynes and Geert Bevin it'll be a "system on a module" whose interface will feature buttons, knobs, and a big LCD at its center. It'll run Linux to host JUCE to display what's being shown on the LCD. It's probably a flagship product, as they took future siblings into account while they developed it, which will be ultimately dependent on marketing decisions. And they're looking for an iOS developer.
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System On a Module refers to the hardware running the Linux OS. They are using an off the shelf System On a Module, they are not creating one.
Still quite interesting. Central LCD is very “new Moog”. They also mentioned a family of products.
Pretty cool and unexpected for Moog to have an LCD GUI.
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When I first saw this:
https://www.uaudio.com/uad-plugins/special-processing/moog-multimode-filter-xl-collection.html
I thought it looked so much like real hardware that it would be insane to see it in real life. That’s a good style combo.
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System On a Module refers to the hardware running the Linux OS. They are using an off the shelf System On a Module, they are not creating one.
Yes, probably. The whole Linux thing reminded me of Modal Electronics first. Here it's the basis for running JUCE, which Amos already used for creating Moog's software editors. I'm curious if his references to the Push 2 and Machine controllers are anything to go by, but it seems so, as there were some hints about visualizations of waveforms for example.
And then it's still open whether the call for iOS developers is related to the new product.
Not sure, whether this new synth will just look like a Voyager with an iPad at its center.
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System On a Module refers to the hardware running the Linux OS. They are using an off the shelf System On a Module, they are not creating one.
Yes, probably. The whole Linux thing reminded me of Modal Electronics first. Here it's the basis for running JUCE, which Amos already used for creating Moog's software editors. I'm curious if his references to the Push 2 and Machine controllers are anything to go by, but it seems so, as there were some hints about visualizations of waveforms for example.
And then it's still open whether the call for iOS developers is related to the new product.
Not sure, whether this new synth will just look like a Voyager with an iPad at its center.
It’ll also likely will be monophonic as well. We will have to wait and see but so far I’m not sold on the description him hearing.
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It'll run Linux to host JUCE to display what's being shown on the LCD.
Honestly I got somewhat mixed feelings about embedded Linux in a musical instrument. Not because of the features it offers to the instruments developers but simply because of basic computer security concerns.
In a few years time from release the instruments may not have upgraded software and will be a ticking time bombs just waiting to attack other computers in the home or studio without the owner being able to do anything about it.
One certainly develops an appreciation for smaller embedded solutions though these can have similar issues too. But as the OS is smaller and not widely used its less likely to be a target for malware. But of cause nothing is immune to government enforced "features".
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It'll run Linux to host JUCE to display what's being shown on the LCD.
Honestly I got somewhat mixed feelings about embedded Linux in a musical instrument. Not because of the features it offers to the instruments developers but simply because of basic computer security concerns.
In a few years time from release the instruments may not have upgraded software and will be a ticking time bombs just waiting to attack other computers in the home or studio without the owner being able to do anything about it.
One certainly develops an appreciation for smaller embedded solutions though these can have similar issues too. But as the OS is smaller and not widely used its less likely to be a target for malware. But of cause nothing is immune to government enforced "features".
Aside from security concerns, I’m not even sure why you need or want a version of Linux in a hardware synth. Seems like a waste of resources. Maybe I’m misunderstanding their intentions.
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Aside from security concerns, I’m not even sure why you need or want a version of Linux in a hardware synth. Seems like a waste of resources. Maybe I’m misunderstanding their intentions.
Good point! Of cause it depends on what one wants the product to do. If its network features or other types of connectivity such as bluetooth then there may be a good reason for using Linux. Not to mention that its way easier to write code to run as a Linux user space application than it is for embedded software. Virtual memory makes memory access errors much more graceful than corewars in an embedded product.
Another good reason is hardware solutions such as Rasberry Pi that offers cheap boards running Linux. Integrating such a board into an instrument gives the developers a good starting point instead of having to do the digital hardware from the ground up.
Anyway, I would much prefer a dedicated embedded solution for a normal synthesizer. Not at least because of security concerns.
Will be interesting to see what Moog are up to with their new product.
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It would be sort of sad if Moog goes virtual analog. Not saying virtual analog is bad but with other companies charging far less far their analog poly synths it be pretty sad to see Moog finally do another Poly after all this time...except it’s digital. Doesn’t matter what the features are i just think it might backfire. Korg, DSI, my god even Behringer are doing analog poly synths and if Moog’s response to the requests from fans for their own poly synth is an Animoog inside the body of a Voyager, a lot of faces are going to be buried in palms.
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It would be sort of sad if Moog goes virtual analog. Not saying virtual analog is bad but with other companies charging far less far their analog poly synths it be pretty sad to see Moog finally do another Poly after all this time...except it’s digital. Doesn’t matter what the features are i just think it might backfire. Korg, DSI, my god even Behringer are doing analog poly synths and if Moog’s response to the requests from fans for their own poly synth is an Animoog inside the body of a Voyager, a lot of faces are going to be buried in palms.
Absolutely nothing in the presentation by Amos Gaynes and Geert Bevin indicates that Moog are going VA. The talk is only about interface design and prototyping and what tools are or have been used throughout the process. It's not about voice design.
So technically the next synth can still contain an analog signal path. The operating system of Modal Electronic's 002 and 008 also runs on Linux and these are no VA synths. The only thing that is mentioned about the actual synth's design is that its interface will feature knobs and buttons, and a centered LCD display on which content will be shown that is produced by JUCE running on Linux. That's it. No hint whatsoever about the voice architecture or the voice number.
What could be inferred about the front panel design is that it might be related to controllers like Ableton's Push 2 or Native Instruments' Maschine: You have a big display with encoders above and/or below that change function according to what's being shown on the display.
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It would be sort of sad if Moog goes virtual analog. Not saying virtual analog is bad but with other companies charging far less far their analog poly synths it be pretty sad to see Moog finally do another Poly after all this time...except it’s digital. Doesn’t matter what the features are i just think it might backfire. Korg, DSI, my god even Behringer are doing analog poly synths and if Moog’s response to the requests from fans for their own poly synth is an Animoog inside the body of a Voyager, a lot of faces are going to be buried in palms.
Absolutely nothing in the presentation by Amos Gaynes and Geert Bevin indicates that Moog are going VA. The talk is only about interface design and prototyping and what tools are or have been used throughout the process. It's not about voice design.
So technically the next synth can still contain an analog signal path. The operating system of Modal Electronic's 002 and 008 also runs on Linux and these are no VA synths. The only thing that is mentioned about the actual synth's design is that its interface will feature knobs and buttons, and a centered LCD display on which content will be shown that is produced by JUCE running on Linux. That's it. No hint whatsoever about the voice architecture or the voice number.
What could be inferred about the front panel design is that it might be related to controllers like Ableton's Push 2 or Native Instruments' Maschine: You have a big display with encoders above and/or below that change function according to what's being shown on the display.
It's also worth raising the point of DSI's job posting for a software engineer with QNX expertise–the underlying infrastructure need not suggest anything regarding the sound-generation capabilities / methodology....
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It would be sort of sad if Moog goes virtual analog. Not saying virtual analog is bad but with other companies charging far less far their analog poly synths it be pretty sad to see Moog finally do another Poly after all this time...except it’s digital. Doesn’t matter what the features are i just think it might backfire. Korg, DSI, my god even Behringer are doing analog poly synths and if Moog’s response to the requests from fans for their own poly synth is an Animoog inside the body of a Voyager, a lot of faces are going to be buried in palms.
Absolutely nothing in the presentation by Amos Gaynes and Geert Bevin indicates that Moog are going VA. The talk is only about interface design and prototyping and what tools are or have been used throughout the process. It's not about voice design.
So technically the next synth can still contain an analog signal path. The operating system of Modal Electronic's 002 and 008 also runs on Linux and these are no VA synths. The only thing that is mentioned about the actual synth's design is that its interface will feature knobs and buttons, and a centered LCD display on which content will be shown that is produced by JUCE running on Linux. That's it. No hint whatsoever about the voice architecture or the voice number.
What could be inferred about the front panel design is that it might be related to controllers like Ableton's Push 2 or Native Instruments' Maschine: You have a big display with encoders above and/or below that change function according to what's being shown on the display.
Oh no I know they didn't directly say it but I just had a horrible feeling.
Just have to see how it goes. Wonder if it'll be released for Namm or Moogfest.
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Oh no I know they didn't directly say it but I just had a horrible feeling.
Just have to see how it goes. Wonder if it'll be released for Namm or Moogfest.
Judging by the success of Animoog and the Model 15 app outside the usual niche, I'm not too worried - but it would be nice to see some analogue goodness with excellent control.
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I get the impression that an enhanced (by an analog filter for example) hardware version of the Animoog would be quite appealing to many. Combined with full MPE support, polyphony, and a couple of unpredictable ingredients, this could indeed result in a different hardware synth direction - at least for Moog's standards.
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I'd like to see an FMX based Yamaha synth. No AMW or anything. Just take the concept and layout of the reface. Add more operators and five octaves and full size. I think it would sell very well.
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JoMoX have discontinued their M.Brane 11 (http://jomox.com/product_details.php?lang=2&category=1&product_id=13). So one could very well expect an updated version based on their Mod.Brane 11 (http://jomox.com/product_details.php?lang=2&category=5&product_id=17) module and ALPHA BASE (http://jomox.com/product_details.php?lang=2&category=1&product_id=21) drum machine sometimes in 2018. SuperBooth could be a good place for that to happen. Or maybe during the summer/autumn via website announcement.
Also, the following note have just been posted on the JoMoX site. Gentrified synthesizer company sounds just a little bit sad. Their old area and office looked really nice (https://youtu.be/qlgnwZA7Cvs).
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Dear Jomox lovers,
after 18 years, the wave of Berlin-Kreuzberg gentrification has caught us too...
from 16/12/2017 to 31/01/2018 we can only offer limited support as we have to move to new facilities with the whole company.
From February 1st 2018 on, our new location will be:
JoMoX El. Musikinstr. GmbH
Green Park Haus 101 Raum 304
Ruhlsdorfer Str. 95
14532 Stahnsdorf
After that, we will care for you with heart and sound again.
Many thanks for your understanding!
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
so far, I'm predicting a fatter wallet.
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
so far, I'm predicting a fatter wallet.
Between the Oberheim Two Voice Pro and Tom Anderson guitars I don't even want to think about it.
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
so far, I'm predicting a fatter wallet.
Between the Oberheim Two Voice Pro and Tom Anderson guitars I don't even want to think about it.
Tom Anderson doesn’t scare me. I live in Nashville and have some friends who are top notch luthiers. I make guitars for myself from time to time. Here’s my last one. As for Oberheim? yeah, there goes some money.
(https://imgur.com/download/xIlijXe)
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
so far, I'm predicting a fatter wallet.
Between the Oberheim Two Voice Pro and Tom Anderson guitars I don't even want to think about it.
Tom Anderson doesn’t scare me. I live in Nashville and have some friends who are top notch luthiers. I make guitars for myself from time to time. Here’s my last one. As for Oberheim? yeah, there goes some money.
(https://imgur.com/download/xIlijXe)
Ooo what a beauty! Great job.
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Welp, Namm is getting close and so far we got the Behringer Vocoder, Waldorf Vocoder, and Minibrute 2.
Anyone else have any predictions?
so far, I'm predicting a fatter wallet.
Between the Oberheim Two Voice Pro and Tom Anderson guitars I don't even want to think about it.
Tom Anderson doesn’t scare me. I live in Nashville and have some friends who are top notch luthiers. I make guitars for myself from time to time. Here’s my last one. As for Oberheim? yeah, there goes some money.
Ooo what a beauty! Great job.
Thank you sir. Most pround of the wiring... 3 knobs: volume, tone, pickup blend. So I can have all neck pickup tone, all bridge tone, or anywhere in between.
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon a new 'Step. Keystep Pro is my bet but I'd rather see a mashing of the two 'Steps into a multichannel step sequence with drum, 3xmono, 2xpoly + 2 modulation sequencers also. That in something like one of their Keystations.
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon a new 'Step. Keystep Pro is my bet but I'd rather see a mashing of the two 'Steps into a multichannel step sequence with drum, 3xmono, 2xpoly + 2 modulation sequencers also. That in something like one of their Keystations.
Ugh I hope not. How boring.
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon a new 'Step. Keystep Pro is my bet but I'd rather see a mashing of the two 'Steps into a multichannel step sequence with drum, 3xmono, 2xpoly + 2 modulation sequencers also. That in something like one of their Keystations.
Ugh I hope not. How boring.
To some, yeah. I find my BSP a great tool beyond a mere 3 channel MIDI step sequencer. It works as a trigger module for two other machines, runs CV to a semi-modular and is a beastie drum machine. If it had a dedicated modulation channel doing CC's and CV, that would be a nice addition and entice me to update.
We'll find out tomorrow....
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Arturia seem to have more up their sleeves, as it says the following below their MiniBrute 2 announcement: "Come back tomorrow, we’ve got more exciting news. 'Save the best ‘til last', as the saying goes."
POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE POLYBRUTE!!!!!!!!!!!
I reckon a new 'Step. Keystep Pro is my bet but I'd rather see a mashing of the two 'Steps into a multichannel step sequence with drum, 3xmono, 2xpoly + 2 modulation sequencers also. That in something like one of their Keystations.
Ugh I hope not. How boring.
To some, yeah. I find my BSP a great tool beyond a mere 3 channel MIDI step sequencer. It works as a trigger module for two other machines, runs CV to a semi-modular and is a beastie drum machine. If it had a dedicated modulation channel doing CC's and CV, that would be a nice addition and entice me to update.
We'll find out tomorrow....
I firmly stand by my statement that Arturia has surpassed Moog.
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From Roger Linn's website (http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/):
Going to NAMM? We're not. Like Moog, Dave Smith Instruments and Tom Oberheim, I (Roger) have decided to skip it this year. It seems odd to me to have a music product dealer convention in the internet era, given there are so few remaining independent music product dealers.
So based on the wording, it seems like it was a conscious decision of all named manufacturers to skip this year's Winter NAMM, which in turn means that their absence from NAMM is not indicative of whether new products will be announced or not.
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I firmly stand by my statement that Arturia has surpassed Moog.
I think Moog has something up their sleeve: http://www.matrixsynth.com/2017/11/new-moog-synth-geert-bevin-amos-gaynes.html
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(https://www.kennysmusic.co.uk/media/wysiwyg/prologue-news-1.jpg)
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That thing appears to allow for USR waveforms (presumably to load samples or wavetables....)?
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That thing appears to allow for USR waveforms (presumably to load samples or wavetables....)?
Not sure. There's an auto-translated text on GS from the French forum where this leaked:
Prologue, the new hybrid analog synth from KORG
A 49-key, polyphonic analog polyphonic synthesizer and the 61-key, 16-channel version, which can be described as a "hybrid" synth by integrating a digital motor into the center of its fully analog circuit.
Close cousin of KORG's already famous Minilogue and Monologue, the prologue is a complete and fully programmable polyphonic analog synthesizer. Hormone boosted version, it is distinguished from these predecessors by a keyboard with large keys, a polyphony of 8 or 16 channels (depending on the model) and a new engine
digital sound (the multi-engine) greatly expanding the sound and customization possibilities. As you will understand, the prologue range includes two models: the 8-channel version of 49 keys and the 16-channel version of 61 keys. Let's find out more in detail what lies beneath this beast ...
Analog power
The prologue takes again the powerful analogical circuits which made the strength of its predecessors (Minilogue and Monologue), and thus proposes an incomparable quality of sound as well as an astonishing presence. More than 11000 electronic components have been used for its manufacture! The prologue is composed of 2VCO, 1VCF, 2EG, 1VCA and 1LFO. It also features the famous built-in oscillator allowing you to create unique waveforms to refine your harmonies and create breathtaking sounds. Add to that a bipolar low-pass filter and powerful distortion and you have a powerful analog palette to create deep bass, powerful leads, and the beautiful pads that are expected of a polyphonic synthesizer. Also note that the prologue is bi-timbral, and allows you to play two different programs simultaneously.
Despite its analog power, the prologue retains its ease of use and intuitive interface worthy of the latest KORG synthesizers. You will find on the panel the easy selection of channel modes (POLY, MONO, UNISSON, CHORD ...), the powerful arpeggiator, or the simplified selection (and sortable) of the 500 programs.
The freedom of digital
The ingenuity of the prologue goes beyond its analog design. Indeed, by adding to the original 2 VCOs a third MULTI ENGINE digital oscillator, KORG is exploring new experimental sites. This new engine, adding digital and FM waveforms, can be combined with analog VCOs to extend the sound potential of the prologue far beyond that of a traditional analog synthesizer. The noise generator, the VPM oscillator and the high-quality digital effects (modulation and delay / reverb) bring you complex metallic sounds and harmonics that you never thought possible.
Another novelty, and not least, this new engine MULTI ENGINE offers a USER mode that allows you to load oscillator programs of your own creation (and yes!) You can develop on the dedicated software (available in early spring 2018 ). There are sixteen slots for this parameter.
KORG manufacturing quality
Many waited for a Minilogue with big keys. In the end KORG did better, but still listened to users' comments. On the prologue, you'll find Japanese keyboards of 49 and 61 notes, with big keys, that offer the same feel and expression as the high end KORG keyboards.
Beyond the keyboard, KORG has really paid attention to the details of the overall design. The body of the prologue synthesizer offers a black aluminum panel, wooden side panels and metal potentiometers highlighting the beauty of the instrument that will be as comfortable on stage as in the studio.
The first copies of this powerful synthesizer should arrive in France in March. The price of the 8-way model should run around 1500 € and we are talking about 2000 € for the 16-channel version.
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Looks interesting for sure. 3 OSC (2 analogue, 1 digital), and it appears you can create your own waveforms for the digital OSC(?)
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Looks interesting for sure. 3 OSC (2 analogue, 1 digital), and it appears you can create your own waveforms for the digital OSC(?)
Indeed. It also features the oscilloscope from the Minilogue and Monologue, which could be helpful for that. It still remains to be seen if the keyboard also comes with aftertouch. And of course what else can be done to the digital waveforms. But 32 VCOs at around $2,000 is quite competitive.
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Looks interesting for sure. 3 OSC (2 analogue, 1 digital), and it appears you can create your own waveforms for the digital OSC(?)
Indeed. It also features the oscilloscope from the Minilogue and Monologue, which could be helpful for that. It still remains to be seen if the keyboard also comes with aftertouch. And of course what else can be done to the digital waveforms. But 32 VCOs at around $2,000 is quite competitive.
maybe $2499 once you do the Euro to Greenback conversion... but yeah. Interesting for sure.
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maybe $2499 once you do the Euro to Greenback conversion... but yeah. Interesting for sure.
It depends. Currently all US Korg prices are lower than European Korg prices.
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maybe $2499 once you do the Euro to Greenback conversion... but yeah. Interesting for sure.
It depends. Currently all US Korg prices are lower than European Korg prices.
So they seem to be targeting (and possibly coming in at a lower price than) the Rev 2
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Interesting instruments, and alas, with full-sized keys and wood cheeks. I also like the name. Korg is getting there, slowly but surely.
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Here's another photo of the front panel:
(http://www.alarrecordingstudio.com/images/korg-prologue-pre-namm/korg-prologue_16.jpg)
So there doesn't seem to be any indication of Aftertouch. At least it's not available as a mod source on the front panel. Modulation options are also rather limited.
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Yes, only one LFO. That's a bit stringent.
You know, it looks an awful lot like a Rev2.
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You know, it looks an awful lot like a Rev2.
My thoughts exactly.
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Looks like they're not even trying to hide the fact that they're aiming to directly compete with the REV2. The digital aspects are a huge plus, but then there's also plenty of other areas where it doesn't stack up. I wonder how the market will react ... or given Korg's brand status (plus the popularity of the logue-line) and the fact that it will be in every music store, is it a given it will out sell the REV2 with ease?
Personally I'd still go with the REV2 without a second thought.
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I'd be rather surprised if the folks at Korg were so simple as to think that appearances alone could draw in potential Rev2 buyers. With the exception of that third digital oscillator, I don't see why anyone would prefer the Prologue over the Rev2. Perhaps a spec sheet would make this clear.
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Look forward to see how the Korg Prologue will sound compared to the DSI machines. The digital oscillator is certainly an interesting addition. Modulation seems not quite up to DSI standard.
In any case: hope this machine will inspire a certain synthesizer manufacturer to make a new interesting hybrid voice not at least featuring both analog and digital oscillators combined with hopefully other types of neat integration between analog and digital features.
So now is the perfect chance to move ahead of the competition on both sound and feature fronts. Seen in that light its very fine with me if time is taken to get it right before announcing.
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It's not simply the look, it's everything from the pricing structure to polyphony. Plus this appears to be exactly like what everyone was speculating it would be, which leads me to believe they're listening closely. Seems real calculated, but a step in the right direction regardless.
Edit: Although they didn't get LoboLives' incessant memo about multitimbrality... ;)
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This is Korg's Poly Evolver Keyboard. Next, they'll make a version without the digital oscillator. It'll be called the Prologue Rev2.
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It's not simply the look....
It even shares the first three letters of the name.
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I'd be rather surprised if the folks at Korg were so simple as to think that appearances alone could draw in potential Rev2 buyers. With the exception of that third digital oscillator, I don't see why anyone would prefer the Prologue over the Rev2. Perhaps a spec sheet would make this clear.
That seems like a solid analysis.
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With all the justifiable critique in mind that can be mostly addressed to the absence of more modulation flexibility, it still has to be acknowledged that Korg obviously designed an analog polysynth based on their custom chips, which is quite an undertaking. So they did this from the ground up, based on their other -logue synths and presumably without anything like Curtis chips. And that's already quite something from a technological or developer's perspective.
And without getting into a VCO vs DCO debate it still has to be pointed out that the big version does provide 32 VCOs, which is quite an impressive number.
The rest has to be heard (professional demos) and read (manual). I think two aspects are going to be important in the end: How is the quality of the overall sound and how much more sonic flexibility does the digital oscillator introduce?
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Paul’s right. And I can’t wait to HEAR it. My OB-6 doesn’t have the modulation capabilities of a lot of synths out there, but I love the sound... at the end of the day, that’s what it is all about.
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Three comments by people who actually used prototypes from a current discussion on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/7r48pa/korg_prologue_namm_2018/):
On the digital side:
The prologue offers an open API (Application Programming Interface) that allows to customize and extends the capabilities of the multi-engine and digital effects. It provides 16 user oscillator slots and 16 user effect slots, and you can use the dedicated librarian software (expected to be available for downloading around early spring 2018) to create your very own oscillators and effect programs, and load them into prologue. What types of sound will you create by combining the expanded digital oscillators with analog synthesis? You can create original programs and share code to participate in the user community. Start with sample code provided by KORG. The prologue belongs to you.
And:
This is a open-source mode in which you can build your own user oscillator. Stock, it defaults to a morphing wavetable. I can’t say much more at this time, but it is AWESOME. The effects algorithms are also open source and user editable.
On the sparse modulation side and general impression:
we got one in our office last week. win: it sounds fucking amazing - bi-timbral engine means 4 x VCOs + 2 x digital osc = IMMENSE. Best sounding synth i've played since i had a Pro One. It's a big full size synth, build quality is excellent, the effects sound very nice
bummer: 1 LFO with minimal routing options, no sequencer, no aftertouch. Expecially the 1 LFO, that's crazy to me. Having said that, i'm not really someone that digs too far into modulation routings and don't really need the capabilities of something like the DSI REV2, I prefer classic synth sounds
Not really because of the latter comment, but rather with regard to the general design philosophy of the Prologue's analog side, I do think that this synth might be more aimed at prospective Prophet-6/OB-6 customers, not so much prospective Rev2 customers.
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Three comments by people who actually used prototypes from a current discussion on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/synthesizers/comments/7r48pa/korg_prologue_namm_2018/):
On the digital side:
The prologue offers an open API (Application Programming Interface) that allows to customize and extends the capabilities of the multi-engine and digital effects. It provides 16 user oscillator slots and 16 user effect slots, and you can use the dedicated librarian software (expected to be available for downloading around early spring 2018) to create your very own oscillators and effect programs, and load them into prologue. What types of sound will you create by combining the expanded digital oscillators with analog synthesis? You can create original programs and share code to participate in the user community. Start with sample code provided by KORG. The prologue belongs to you.
And:
This is a open-source mode in which you can build your own user oscillator. Stock, it defaults to a morphing wavetable. I can’t say much more at this time, but it is AWESOME. The effects algorithms are also open source and user editable.
On the sparse modulation side and general impression:
we got one in our office last week. win: it sounds fucking amazing - bi-timbral engine means 4 x VCOs + 2 x digital osc = IMMENSE. Best sounding synth i've played since i had a Pro One. It's a big full size synth, build quality is excellent, the effects sound very nice
bummer: 1 LFO with minimal routing options, no sequencer, no aftertouch. Expecially the 1 LFO, that's crazy to me. Having said that, i'm not really someone that digs too far into modulation routings and don't really need the capabilities of something like the DSI REV2, I prefer classic synth sounds
Not only because of the latter comment, but more so with regard to the general design philosophy of the Prologue's analog side, I do think that this synth might be more aimed at prospective Prophet-6/OB-6 customers, not so much prospective Rev2 customers.
Or those that wanted a PolyEvolver replacement, though the comments also allude to the fact that it has a 2-pole filter (as with the Monologue, OB-6 and as a setting on the REV2 and Evolver); provided that it cleans up when you're not overdriving it, that might make it a very interesting option.
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Or those that wanted a PolyEvolver replacement.
For a complete PolyEvolver replacement, the modulation options are too limited. The digital oscillator seems to be more flexible on the Prologue, but the overall mod matrix is not comparable with the Evolver design. So I think it's still up to DSI to solve that task and to come up with a proper Evolver successor. ;)
Nevertheless, the Evolver was mentioned quite a bit in Prologue threads.
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Curious that Korg would choose to release information about a new product in a way that doesn’t include their own website. What happened to the good old days? Announce a new synth on your website, post some pics, post some sounds, post some videos... easy peasey....
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Curious that Korg would choose to release information about a new product in a way that doesn’t include their own website. What happened to the good old days? Announce a new synth on your website, post some pics, post some sounds, post some videos... easy peasey....
It just leaked via a French synth forum.
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Expecially the 1 LFO, that's crazy to me. Having said that, i'm not really someone that digs too far into modulation routings and don't really need the capabilities of something like the DSI REV2, I prefer classic synth sounds.
So a whopping two LFO's puts one outside the classic synth sound category? Personally, two is the bare minimum, even for monophonic patches. If a synthesizer cannot offer simultaneous pulse width modulation and vibrato at different rates, then one of the most basic of basic patches is impossible. That's a standard that I find necessary, and it's one of the reasons I didn't care for the Moog Voyager. One of its audio oscillators was constantly being sacrificed to serve as a second LFO. It made one of the Voyager's immense advantages over the old Model D - that of having PWM, rather than several selected pulse widths - only occasionally helpful.
The Prologue does otherwise seem like a decent instrument. I'll be interested to hear its raw sound. I actually have good feelings towards Korg, since I have fond memories of owning two Korg synthesizers when I was very young. But for someone who has an eight-voice Poly Evolver and a Prophet '08/Rev 2, it does seem rather uneventful. I won't expect it to come even close to the glorious sound of my PEK+PER pair.
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Expecially the 1 LFO, that's crazy to me. Having said that, i'm not really someone that digs too far into modulation routings and don't really need the capabilities of something like the DSI REV2, I prefer classic synth sounds.
So a whopping two LFO's puts one outside the classic synth sound category? Personally, two is the bare minimum, even for monophonic patches. If a synthesizer cannot offer simultaneous pulse width modulation and vibrato at different rates, then one of the most basic of basic patches is impossible. That's a standard that I find necessary, and it's one of the reasons I didn't care for the Moog Voyager. One of the audio oscillators was constantly being sacrificed for LFO purposes.
However, this Prologue does otherwise seem like a decent instrument.
Now it looks as if I said what you quoted from the statement I quoted. ;)
I agree with your point, which is why the absence of aftertouch is such a great omission, as it can compensate for that aspect. Even with also just one LFO, the P-6 and the OB-6 are far more flexible than the Prologue in the analog realm.
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I agree with your point, which is why the absence of aftertouch is such a great omission, as it can compensate for that aspect. Even with also just one LFO, the P-6 and the OB-6 are far more flexible than the Prologue in the analog realm.
And I agree with your agreement with me. Aftertouch would be the most obvious compensation. That puts the P-6 and OB-6 ahead of the Prologue, except regarding voice count. The next question is, can an envelope or other parameter be used to delay a modulation, such as a vibrato/tremolo?
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I agree with your point, which is why the absence of aftertouch is such a great omission, as it can compensate for that aspect. Even with also just one LFO, the P-6 and the OB-6 are far more flexible than the Prologue in the analog realm.
And I agree with your agreement with me. Aftertouch would be the most obvious compensation. That puts the P-6 and OB-6 ahead of the Prologue, except regarding voice count. The next question is, can an envelope or other parameter be used to delay a modulation, such as a vibrato/tremolo?
You were quicker than me. I was about to add that to my post below. Korg's product specialist added in the above mentioned Reddit thread: "There is an entire effects unit dedicated to modulation that can do the type of pitch modulation you can get from the Minilogue, freeing Prologue’s LFO up for additional modulation." So there seems to be an option to free up the single LFO. The person he responded to was basically bringing up your case (vibrato + some other kind of modulation). So there seems to be a virtual layer to this synth that allows for some customization.
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I would find a single digital oscillator rather stiff. If there's one thing that warms up nicely an icy cold digital wave shape, it's a second icy cold digital wave shape to beat alongside it. When designing a digital pad on the PEK, I always feel the need to enrich its tone with a generous amount of oscillator beating, including from two analog triangles. But one digital oscillator? Brrr!
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Korg's product specialist added in the above mentioned Reddit thread: "There is an entire effects unit dedicated to modulation that can do the type of pitch modulation you can get from the Minilogue, freeing Prologue’s LFO up for additional modulation." So there seems to be an option to free up the single LFO. The person he responded to was basically bringing up your case (vibrato + some other kind of modulation). So there seems to be a virtual layer to this synth that allows for some customization.
That's intriguing, alright. I'll just have to wait and see what it is. I guess I've gotten skeptical from all the commercial hoopla over the years. You know...it's the Behringer effect.
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I would find a single digital oscillator rather stiff. If there's one thing that warms up nicely an icy cold digital wave shape, it's a second icy cold digital wave shape to beat alongside it. When designing a digital pad on the PEK, I always feel the need to enrich its tone with a generous amount of oscillator beating, including from two analog triangles. But one digital oscillator? Brrr!
It's a bitimbral synth, so maybe layering two patches that only feature digital oscillators would be the simple solution. It is also said to contain the ensemble effect of the PolySix, so that could help as well.
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Korg's product specialist added in the above mentioned Reddit thread: "There is an entire effects unit dedicated to modulation that can do the type of pitch modulation you can get from the Minilogue, freeing Prologue’s LFO up for additional modulation." So there seems to be an option to free up the single LFO. The person he responded to was basically bringing up your case (vibrato + some other kind of modulation). So there seems to be a virtual layer to this synth that allows for some customization.
That's intriguing, alright. I'll just have to wait and see what it is. I guess I've gotten skeptical from all the commercial hoopla over the years. You know...it's the Behringer effect.
Hehe. At least this doesn't seem to be vaporware.
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It's a bitimbral synth, so maybe layering two patches that only feature digital oscillators would be the simple solution. It is also said to contain the ensemble effect of the PolySix, so that could help as well.
True, but of course, that would cut the voice count in half. And personally, I don't go for substituting a second oscillator with an effect. It just isn't nearly the same. So, we're already working out compromises here meant to make the Prologue serviceable. It doesn't look promising in my case. Maybe this is a synthesizer for you guys, but I'd say I'm out.
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It's a bitimbral synth, so maybe layering two patches that only feature digital oscillators would be the simple solution. It is also said to contain the ensemble effect of the PolySix, so that could help as well.
True, but of course, that would cut the voice count in half. And personally, I don't go for substituting a second oscillator with an effect. It just isn't nearly the same. So, we're already working out compromises here meant to make the prologue serviceable. It doesn't look promising in my case. Maybe this is a synthesizer for you guys, but I'd say I'm out.
Well, so far everything that concerns its sound is mere speculation. And that this won't replace an Evolver setup is pretty obvious I think - that's simply not what the Prologue tries to be. It just happens to be one of the rare synths with a hybrid front end, that's about where the similarities end. Whether the Prologue is serviceable depends on individual needs. Either way, I'm sure it's objectively not going to be unusable, unless the keys are glued in one position and knob settings have no consequences.
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Maybe this is a synthesizer for you guys, but I'd say I'm out.
Let’s hear it first. Though it may not impress “on paper”, the oscillators and filters may sound like butter and silk. Let’s hear it.
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Whether the Prologue is serviceable depends on individual needs. Either way, I'm sure it's objectively not going to be unusable, unless the keys are glued in one position and knob settings have no consequences.
Right. It's not for my purposes, that's all. But it did look interesting at first. I'll keep an eye on it for now, but I've got better things to anticipate.
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Hmm I’ll have to process this. It looks good, seems like it’s capable but it’s still too early to tell. I hate the color, they really should have stuck with the silver from the Minilogue. It would have given it its own character...instead it just seems sort of like a copy of a DSI synth. What makes the Prologue stand out?
It doesn’t really seem that unique or frankly even that powerful when it’s put against the REV2. Also why limit the keys on the eight voice version?
I mean I wasn’t expecting anything mindblowing but this just sort of seems boring. Like I said though too early to tell.
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It's not simply the look, it's everything from the pricing structure to polyphony. Plus this appears to be exactly like what everyone was speculating it would be, which leads me to believe they're listening closely. Seems real calculated, but a step in the right direction regardless.
Edit: Although they didn't get LoboLives' incessant memo about multitimbrality... ;)
Yeah when someone says “mindblowing” I sort of expected to have my mind blown.
I told everyone here that they would simply copy the REV2 and put a Korg sticker on it...and that’s what we more or less got give or take.
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Plenty of videos of it have already hit Youtube.
Spoiler: It sounds like a synth.
Nice reverb though.
Edit: Pre-orders are up as well. As expected, it's priced to match the you know what.
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I would find a single digital oscillator rather stiff. If there's one thing that warms up nicely an icy cold digital wave shape, it's a second icy cold digital wave shape to beat alongside it. When designing a digital pad on the PEK, I always feel the need to enrich its tone with a generous amount of oscillator beating, including from two analog triangles. But one digital oscillator? Brrr!
It's a bitimbral synth, so maybe layering two patches that only feature digital oscillators would be the simple solution. It is also said to contain the ensemble effect of the PolySix, so that could help as well.
Also I guess as the digital oscillator seems to be able to run different code then I guess you could stick a dual oscillator in the slot, depending on dsp grunt.
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Also I guess as the digital oscillator seems to be able to run different code then I guess you could stick a dual oscillator in the slot, depending on dsp grunt.
That seems to be the killer app on this thing. Do you want to write your own oscillators (or load up other peoples)? Then you might like it. Otherwise, its limitations seem crippling.
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Korg are also doing ARP versions of their SQ-1 sequencer
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Korg are also doing ARP versions of their SQ-1 sequencer
Love it!! (Although it seems to be something that's just bundled with the Odyssey FSQ and not necessarily available on its own)
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Korg are also doing ARP versions of their SQ-1 sequencer
Love it!! (Although it seems to be something that's just bundled with the Odyssey FSQ and not necessarily available on its own)
Yeah I think you can only get it if it comes with an ARP Odyssey full size...my issue...still no Midi In....what the heck?
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Not so much a prediction, but a wish... a new Memorymoog. Pretty please. With 2 LFOs this time. I’ll buy one, I promise.
OK, so file that under “it ain’t happening, but man I’d love to see it.”
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Not so much a prediction, but a wish... a new Memorymoog. Pretty please. With 2 LFOs this time. I’ll buy one, I promise.
OK, so file that under “it ain’t happening, but man I’d love to see it.”
All I want from Moog is a four voice Sub 37 on a four octave keyboard. Multitimbral in a sense that each of the voices can be split, layered or chained (for polyphony) in any manner the user wishes. Even at four voices the versatility of that Moog alone would sell incredibly well.
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Not so much a prediction, but a wish... a new Memorymoog. Pretty please. With 2 LFOs this time. I’ll buy one, I promise.
OK, so file that under “it ain’t happening, but man I’d love to see it.”
All I want from Moog is a four voice Sub 37 on a four octave keyboard. Multitimbral in a sense that each of the voices can be split, layered or chained (for polyphony) in any manner the user wishes. Even at four voices the versatility of that Moog alone would sell incredibly well.
I’ve never really understood the appeal of a four voice poly... 6 at minimum seems essential to me.
And I’d prefer the Minimoog 3 VCO architecture over the 2 VCO Sub37. But I think we agree it would sell. Like hot cakes.
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Not so much a prediction, but a wish... a new Memorymoog. Pretty please. With 2 LFOs this time. I’ll buy one, I promise.
OK, so file that under “it ain’t happening, but man I’d love to see it.”
All I want from Moog is a four voice Sub 37 on a four octave keyboard. Multitimbral in a sense that each of the voices can be split, layered or chained (for polyphony) in any manner the user wishes. Even at four voices the versatility of that Moog alone would sell incredibly well.
I’ve never really understood the appeal of a four voice poly... 6 at minimum seems essential to me.
And I’d prefer the Minimoog 3 VCO architecture over the 2 VCO Sub37. But I think we agree it would sell. Like hot cakes.
Well I think if Moog came out with their own version of the Oberheim Four Voice, even despite its low voice count it would offer something most Poly synths don’t which is multitimbrality. Essentially four individual dual VCO (plus sub) Monos under one hood that can operate individually and together. I just don’t know if Moog offered their own version of the OB6 or P6 if it really offer anything different in the Poly Market. Not saying it has to but it may start to get redundant after a while.
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Well the FM synth everyone* has been asking for might be here: https://www.elektron.se/products/digitone/ (https://www.elektron.se/products/digitone/)
*okay not everyone but a good number of people
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Well the FM synth everyone* has been asking for might be here: https://www.elektron.se/products/digitone/ (https://www.elektron.se/products/digitone/)
*okay not everyone but a good number of people
Looks definitely interesting and seems to sound great. Kind of like a pro version of the Volca FM plus some bells and whistles and minus 2 operators.
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Other than the Quantum, Polylogue (for some), and Digitone (for others)... was NAMM a yawner? Did I miss something?
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Other than the Quantum, Polylogue (for some), and Digitone (for others)... was NAMM a yawner? Did I miss something?
Didn't it only just open like yesterday?
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Other than the Quantum, Polylogue (for some), and Digitone (for others)... was NAMM a yawner? Did I miss something?
Didn't it only just open like yesterday?
Today, but aren’t the new products announced day 1 so folks can spend the other 3 days pawing and drooling??? That would be the best marketing scheme... most bang for your buck.
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Other than the Quantum, Polylogue (for some), and Digitone (for others)... was NAMM a yawner? Did I miss something?
Didn't it only just open like yesterday?
Today, but aren’t the new products announced day 1 so folks can spend the other 3 days pawing and drooling??? That would be the best marketing scheme... most bang for your buck.
Yeah, all the main stuff should be announced by now. Let's not forget that a lot has already been announced pre-NAMM this time.
But I agree. Quite a yawner, or rather unnecessary as an announcement event. Looks like DSI, Roger Linn, Moog, Teenage Engineering et al. did the right thing.
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NAMM is quite a let down from the glory days of the Prophet 12 and Sub 37.
But no, I take that back. There's this masterpiece. I'm thinking of getting two and running them is stereo:
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/01/namm2018-blipblox-is-a-new-synthesizer-designed-for-kids.html
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NAMM is quite a let down from the glory days of the Prophet 12 and Sub 37.
But no, I take that back. There's this masterpiece. I'm thinking of getting two and running them is stereo:
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/01/namm2018-blipblox-is-a-new-synthesizer-designed-for-kids.html
I like it! 3rd best announcement after the Digitone and Quantum. I'd take four, though, cause quadrophony is where it's at.
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What a disappointing show. Roland and Yamaha did absolutely nothing of significance.
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What a disappointing show. Roland and Yamaha did absolutely nothing of significance.
You can't say so. Yamaha had at least a countdown.
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Quite a yawner, or rather unnecessary as an announcement event.
Merry yawnmas, everyone!
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Quite a yawner, or rather unnecessary as an announcement event.
Merry yawnmas, everyone!
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NAMM is quite a let down from the glory days of the Prophet 12 and Sub 37.
But no, I take that back. There's this masterpiece. I'm thinking of getting two and running them is stereo:
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/01/namm2018-blipblox-is-a-new-synthesizer-designed-for-kids.html
I like it! 3rd best announcement after the Digitone and Quantum. I'd take four, though, cause quadrophony is where it's at.
It's like a Make Noise panel on a Fisher Price body! I wish I could wish my kids a little younger.
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NAMM is quite a let down from the glory days of the Prophet 12 and Sub 37.
But no, I take that back. There's this masterpiece. I'm thinking of getting two and running them is stereo:
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/01/namm2018-blipblox-is-a-new-synthesizer-designed-for-kids.html
I like it! 3rd best announcement after the Digitone and Quantum. I'd take four, though, cause quadrophony is where it's at.
Best of all, I hear these are drool-proof. So you don't even have to careful about it.
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The guy from Electron kept saying "Diggitone." Surely it's pronounced "Dijitone"?
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The guy from Electron kept saying "Diggitone." Surely it's pronounced "Dijitone"?
It’s their tone, let them get diggi with it...
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Okay, I guess it's a diggital synthesizer.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
It's pretty expensive for what it is though.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
It's pretty expensive for what it is though.
Yeah... true. No doubt. But it is kind of niche. Definitely need to hear some more sounds.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
It's pretty expensive for what it is though.
Yeah... true. No doubt. But it is kind of niche. Definitely need to hear some more sounds.
Personally I’d wait for the Behringer analog vocoder.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
It's pretty expensive for what it is though.
Yeah... true. No doubt. But it is kind of niche. Definitely need to hear some more sounds.
Personally I’d wait for the Behringer analog vocoder.
I don't buy Behringer stuff. Learned a lesson in the 90s that I haven't forgotten yet.
For the same reason, I don't buy Samsung stuff either.
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Oddly enough, the only things from NAMM this year that really interests me are the 2 Waldorf releases: the Quantum and the STVC. Fortunately neither are available for purchase at the moment so DSI has time to compete.
The SVTC is kinda a 2 trick pony (string machine and vocoder), but man it sounds really nice. Even though it is (gasp) digital. The Vocoder has 250 filter bands... that alone is pretty impressive.
It's pretty expensive for what it is though.
Yeah... true. No doubt. But it is kind of niche. Definitely need to hear some more sounds.
Personally I’d wait for the Behringer analog vocoder.
I don't buy Behringer stuff. Learned a lesson in the 90s that I haven't forgotten yet.
For the same reason, I don't buy Samsung stuff either.
Yeah I’m skeptic to but honestly...no one else is doing analog string machine/vocoder so it might be my only option.
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NAMM is quite a let down from the glory days of the Prophet 12 and Sub 37.
But no, I take that back. There's this masterpiece. I'm thinking of getting two and running them is stereo:
http://www.synthanatomy.com/2018/01/namm2018-blipblox-is-a-new-synthesizer-designed-for-kids.html
Awesome stuff, just like one of those bop-um toys but a real synth! Reminds me of those Realistic/Casio sampling keyboards but way more interesting. My first sampler was one of them. Too bad my flat-mate's ex-wife poured water over it to stop her kids from playing with it.
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I just changed the thread title for archival reasons.
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So, what are everybody's NAMM winners and/or disappointments?
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So, what are everybody's NAMM winners and/or disappointments?
Winners: Waldorf and Eventide (even though we knew about the Quantum and H9000 before NAMM)
Losers: everyone else?
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So, what are everybody's NAMM winners and/or disappointments?
Winners: Waldorf and Eventide (even though we knew about the Quantum and H9000 before NAMM)
Losers: everyone else?
That's a lot of losers then. ;D
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I will only name favorites.
My number one has to be the Elektron Digitone. Very excited to try this out once it's available. Gorgeous sound and lots of playful FM flexibility in conjunction with parameter locks and trig conditions.
The Quantum definitely has to be named in the synth category as well. I don't take the hybrid bread and butter sounds we've heard so far as a benchmark. Theoretically, there's lots to be excited about in this new combination of synth engines. So this will have to be tested as well. Having played a prototype last year, I could tell how much more work they put into it, especially the menu structure—a true coding challenge. I also like their approach to take another 3-4 months to get major bugs sorted out and give the sound designers enough time to familiarize themselves with the engines. Even used as a relatively simple sampler, this should be quite monstrous.
If the vicinity of NAMM also counts, I would also name Moog's DAFM as a good analog alternative for anyone who's bored to death with 808 and 909 sounds. I especially liked the nasty territory it can push into. Definitely lots of character.
As a sucker for delays, I liked to see the Strymon Magneto and the Verbos Multi Delay happening.
The effect box I found truly intriguing in its concept was the Empress Effects Zoia which basically allows you to program your own effects, put together effect chains, and can even be used as a synth including MIDI connections.
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Although it pre-dated an actual NAMM announcement, the MicroBrute 2S is a fascinating instrument.
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Although it pre-dated an actual NAMM announcement, the MicroBrute 2S is a fascinating instrument.
Yep - I think that Arturia did well by themselves (if you consider the 30-day window before / after NAMM as "in play" for NAMM announcements). The MiniBrute ecosystem is definitely alive and well, and now provides a branded, patchable path from monosynth to Eurorack and points in between.
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From my perspective, it was a dull and uneventful NAMM. Without DSI and Moog, I didn't expect much anyways. It seems the analog mono synth market is settling down (those little Arturia and Doepfer units aside), since nothing close to full-sized appeared. I'm wondering if Moog will put something in place of its discontinued Model D. It seems like a good opportunity to produce an instrument larger than the Subsequent, and that's what I was most hoping for from NAMM 2018. A Voyager Mk II would be fabulous, especially if Moog added another LFO. It seems absurd to let that masterful design fade away.
I would say the Korg Prologue won the day this year, even overshadowing the Quantum. But sorry; it's impossible for someone with an eight-voice Poly Evolver Keyboard to get excited about the Korg. Yes, they're very different instruments, but you know what I mean. In the end, it's the quality of sound that most matters.
Except for an announcement from DSI, which I'm very much anticipating, I find myself drawn to other boutique companies. For a while, Analog Solutions had my attention, but Artisan Electronic Instruments now has my curiosity.