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Title: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: T-Punk on October 26, 2017, 09:21:43 PM
Hi,

need your help here.

I want to control synth in Ableton with tempest sequencer (basically I want the synth to play the same pattern as I have in Tempest - each pad assigned to different MIDI note ).

The problem is: when I press / play pads (or record in real time ) it transmits midi notes to Ableton, but it doesn't happen with recorded sequences / notes.

Just in case - I connect it via USB.

Is there a solution>? Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: joosep on October 26, 2017, 09:58:36 PM
You can have only one "sound" output its sequencer.

Settings - > MIDI Polyphonic Keyboard Play - > MIDI: Sequencer Sound:
A1ÖA16, B1...B16óUsed to choose the Sound
that plays on the MIDI: Sequencer Out Channel.
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: T-Punk on October 27, 2017, 05:29:58 AM
I thought there are 2 ways of sending MIDI notes from Tempest - the one you described, and another one - assigning MIDI note to each pad and after just "double" the pattern you have in the sequencer to MIDI out (each sound/pad has its own MIDI note ).

So, the second way doesn't exist? Now I can PLAY midi notes from pads, but after I record the pattern it doesn't send anything anymore... Is that right? If so, it's a little bit... hmm... strange... )
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: RobH on October 27, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
I thought there are 2 ways of sending MIDI notes from Tempest - the one you described, and another one - assigning MIDI note to each pad and after just "double" the pattern you have in the sequencer to MIDI out (each sound/pad has its own MIDI note ).

So, the second way doesn't exist? Now I can PLAY midi notes from pads, but after I record the pattern it doesn't send anything anymore... Is that right? If so, it's a little bit... hmm... strange... )

You can't send more than one pads sequenced midi data at a time, so you can either individually record each drums part one by one, or you can play the best you can and quantise it in the DAW. Sorry mate i had exact same problem not long ago.
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: Yorgos Arabatzis on October 27, 2017, 03:23:44 PM
Yes you can send different midi notes but not from Tempestís internal sequencer as it can send only 1 channel as described above ^ You can achieve what youíre describing only by recording Tís midi notes inside a DAW..Play T to send midi notes to Ableton and just hit record inside Ableton..

Cheers!
I thought there are 2 ways of sending MIDI notes from Tempest - the one you described, and another one - assigning MIDI note to each pad and after just "double" the pattern you have in the sequencer to MIDI out (each sound/pad has its own MIDI note ).

So, the second way doesn't exist? Now I can PLAY midi notes from pads, but after I record the pattern it doesn't send anything anymore... Is that right? If so, it's a little bit... hmm... strange... )
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: T-Punk on October 28, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
Yup, thanks for making this clear... Anyway, it's a bit sad and not so clever. Love Tempest, but it has so many unlogic "sorry this can't be done"...

Yes you can send different midi notes but not from Tempestís internal sequencer as it can send only 1 channel as described above ^ You can achieve what youíre describing only by recording Tís midi notes inside a DAW..Play T to send midi notes to Ableton and just hit record inside Ableton..

Cheers!
I thought there are 2 ways of sending MIDI notes from Tempest - the one you described, and another one - assigning MIDI note to each pad and after just "double" the pattern you have in the sequencer to MIDI out (each sound/pad has its own MIDI note ).

So, the second way doesn't exist? Now I can PLAY midi notes from pads, but after I record the pattern it doesn't send anything anymore... Is that right? If so, it's a little bit... hmm... strange... )
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: Yorgos Arabatzis on October 29, 2017, 07:02:07 AM
Ye i get what youíre saying..Itís those little details that makes you go huh ??? Itís all about the code they had to squeeze in order to fit the existing features inside T..They had to make hard choices which ones to leave outside and the biggest part of Midi implementation thing was one of them..I know..i know bummer...But T wasnít envisioned to be the machine thatís now in the first place..It was a work in progress and the team behind it alongside this great community with all these great cats inside (ye i mean all you people out there;)) helping and popping all these great ideas made T whatís now.Bet many times DSI team thought ďahh man...wish it had more memory so we can do more things with it...Ē
Thatís the whole story behind it!
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: T-Punk on October 30, 2017, 05:42:39 AM
I see... There's an old trick which could be done with many if not every classic drum machines - you program your beat, and after send midi out to a poly synth. After you program midi note for each drum pad, the results are always inspiring, musical, and sometimes it's impossible to reproduce it in another way. You can also mute some of the drum sounds, but still have midi note on the output, and so on... Very simple but effective technic.
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: LoboLives on November 04, 2017, 10:51:03 AM
I was a bit bummed by this too as I was planning on using the Tempest to control two ARP Odyssey Modules for sequencing parts. Alas I now simply just use its midi out to control bass lines from the Moog. Helps with composing full songs, especially if you have the Moog running a sequence itself and you use the midi out from the Tempest to transpose the sequence. Sequence the sequencer as it were.

Another trick I did was set two or more synths on the same midi channel as the Tempest midi out and create a massive mono monster. Right now I just programmed Carpenterís Coming To LA from They Live and for the main blues riff I layered the Tempest synth with the Moog and a electric bass sound from the Kurzweil...sounds like a monster.

But Roger is said to be doing the Linn Drum II so who knows what that will be like. 
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: Cole on November 08, 2017, 06:51:17 AM
I guess the tempest doesn't play well with others because it supposed to be all you need in one box. Isn't that the logic they're going for?
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: LoboLives on November 08, 2017, 12:12:49 PM
I guess the tempest doesn't play well with others because it supposed to be all you need in one box. Isn't that the logic they're going for?

Nope, they were simply going for an high end analog drum machine that also included a 6 voice analog synthesizer. It was never meant to be a workstation or multitrack sequencer. It's confusing how the father of midi didn't include this but I don't mind at all. You use an instruments limitations as fuel for creativity. This is why I liked that the Tempest didn't have sampling ability but on board sounds. The LM 1, Linn Drum, DMX, hell even the CR-78 didn't have that either but so much music was written with them. I love using the on board samples but those sounds either are classic or they will become classic in the future when they are used in a hit.

So you can only sequence one external mono synth...be creative with that.
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: stevieteague on August 16, 2019, 03:35:47 AM
Yes you can send different midi notes but not from Tempestís internal sequencer as it can send only 1 channel as described above ^ You can achieve what youíre describing only by recording Tís midi notes inside a DAW..Play T to send midi notes to Ableton and just hit record inside Ableton..

Cheers!
I thought there are 2 ways of sending MIDI notes from Tempest - the one you described, and another one - assigning MIDI note to each pad and after just "double" the pattern you have in the sequencer to MIDI out (each sound/pad has its own MIDI note ).

So, the second way doesn't exist? Now I can PLAY midi notes from pads, but after I record the pattern it doesn't send anything anymore... Is that right? If so, it's a little bit... hmm... strange... )


Hi guys...

All I want to do is record my sequenced pads in Tempest to ableton. But when I press record in ableton it is not picking up the midi. It is only picking up the midi why I actually play it by hand. Am I doing something wrong or is there a particular setting I have not set up properly?

Regards.

Steve
Title: Re: NEED HELP with sequencer midi notes out
Post by: Yorgos Arabatzis on August 17, 2019, 01:27:17 AM
No youíre not doing something wrong thatís how Tempest transmits Midi by playing it with your hands..Midi implementation is one of Tís weakest points..
Hi guys...

All I want to do is record my sequenced pads in Tempest to ableton. But when I press record in ableton it is not picking up the midi. It is only picking up the midi why I actually play it by hand. Am I doing something wrong or is there a particular setting I have not set up properly?

Regards.

Steve