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Title: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: NoahK on December 26, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
First off, Happy Holidays and a Happy New year to you and yours!
Thank you so much for releasing this amazing new O/S version for the incredible P12.   

I love the new FM linear mode and the new FM sound bank, it really is fun and inspiring.

Thank you again!

Noah
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: F5D on December 27, 2015, 12:24:41 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now? I have not had possibility to install this yet.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now? I have not had possibility to install this yet.

Yup, right after the DC modulation source according to the information I got from DSI.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Razmo on December 27, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now? I have not had possibility to install this yet.

Yup, right after the DC modulation source according to the information I got from DSI.

I'm sorry... but Audio Mod is NOT working....
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 12:55:04 PM
I'm sorry... but Audio Mod is NOT working....

Oh, its there! Its just not working yet! . o O ( :-X )
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Razmo on December 27, 2015, 01:00:14 PM
I'm sorry... but Audio Mod is NOT working....

Oh, its there! Its just not working yet! . o O ( :-X )

Well... you could put it that way I guess  ;D ... still I'm amazed they forgot to include this again... it was told that it worked in a later beta that Carson had (in a thread on the other forum)... it's really rather confusing... but I've been trying to get this to work since the 1.3 OS, and I can guarantee, that it does not work no matter what I'm trying to do with it.... it simply has no effect whatsoever... just like in the previous public beta.

This is the last remaining bug that I can recall.... if this gets fixed P12 is nearing it's full potential.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 01:32:49 PM
This is the last remaining bug that I can recall.... if this gets fixed P12 is nearing it's full potential.

Oh it would still have been wonderful with phase modulation oscillators with feedback, a modulation sequencer and user waveshapes. But given how the instrument is designed I would agree with you that its complete once this bugs is fixed.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Razmo on December 27, 2015, 01:40:55 PM
This is the last remaining bug that I can recall.... if this gets fixed P12 is nearing it's full potential.

Oh it would still have been wonderful with phase modulation oscillators with feedback, a modulation sequencer and user waveshapes. But given how the instrument is designed I would agree with you that its complete once this bugs is fixed.

I agree that it could be even better... but on the other hand, I think that DSI should stop when bugs have been fixed, and call it the day.... mainly because they have such a hard time keeping up with bug fixes on other products... so I'd advise DSI to do the same with other gear... just make them work as promised, and if new stuff is to be done (features), include them in new products instead.

This is of course my own personal opinion... .I'll just rather see a 100% working machine, than a lot of 95% finished ones with quirky features and operation.

Actualy I would accept for Audio Mod to not be there at all... it's not that important to me, I just have this feeling that if it's there... it should work! ... so either fix the darn thing, or completely remove it.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: yewtreemagic on December 27, 2015, 01:43:20 PM
Actualy I would accept for Audio Mod to not be there at all... it's not that important to me, I just have this feeling that if it's there... it should work! ... so either fix the darn thing, or completely remove it.

I totally agree Razmo!


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 27, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
Ditto.  No single instrument needs to do everything.  Just let each one do what it's designed to do flawlessly.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 02:28:32 PM
I agree that it could be even better... but on the other hand, I think that DSI should stop when bugs have been fixed, and call it the day.... mainly because they have such a hard time keeping up with bug fixes on other products...

Or do what they do now: backport once new features are stabilized in newer products there were developed for initially. This is for instance what happened with the MTS support that first appeared in Prophet-6 and now are supported in Prophet-12 as well.

I have to agree with you that fixing bugs in existing products are a well known topic of discussion when it comes to evolving DSI.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 27, 2015, 02:36:43 PM
I'm content if an instrument does only that which it was originally intended to do, as advertised.  Sure, new features are great, but I don't personally like the long drawn-out development of an instrument.  Fix it and then move on to a new instrument.  I'm fine with Dave's personal view that the character of an instrument is determined both from what it can do and from what it cannot do.  That strikes me as commonsensical.  I don't want a Space Shuttle; I just want a music synthesizer without flaws.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
I don't want a Space Shuttle; I just want a music synthesizer without flaws.

For the record I would rather like a Skylon (https://youtu.be/86X3gkLjC9Y). Translated into the context of this discussion that means a new take using new technology.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 27, 2015, 02:51:27 PM
I guess, being a simple musician, I much prefer another sort of metaphor - something like a paint brush or a chisel.  Although there's plenty of advanced science in a synthesizer, for me it's only a means to a musical ends, and more of it is not always better than less.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 27, 2015, 02:54:15 PM
As for managing creativity I have to agree. But that doesn't mean that we cannot have instruments with a wider sonic span than currently possible! ;)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on December 27, 2015, 03:04:38 PM
As for managing creativity I have to agree. But that doesn't mean that we cannot have instruments with a wider sonic span than currently possible! ;)

I agree with you.  I'm all for both.  But I do like to put in a word for pure music in the midst of all the techno-talk.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: NoahK on December 27, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now? I have not had possibility to install this yet.

Yup, right after the DC modulation source according to the information I got from DSI.

I'm sorry... but Audio Mod is NOT working....

Sorry for the silly question but what is the easiest way to describe how the Audio Mod source would be used in a preset? 

What destination would you see typical  routed from the Audio Mod source?

Thanks so much!

noah
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: F5D on December 27, 2015, 11:30:38 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now? I have not had possibility to install this yet.

Yup, right after the DC modulation source according to the information I got from DSI.

I'm sorry... but Audio Mod is NOT working....

Sorry for the silly question but what is the easiest way to describe how the Audio Mod source would be used in a preset? 

What destination would you see typical  routed from the Audio Mod source?

Thanks so much!

noah
Try audio mod as source to modulate filter cutoff, resonance, osc pitch or even tuned feedback amount or tuning for a starter. However, you will not hear anything in os 1.3, because the audio out mod source is not working. The audio out mod source is like the tuned feedback signal but without the tuning feature and you can use it as a mod source, not as an audio source. The tuned feedback sends part of the audio output of the synth back to the filter input as audio (after going through the tuned filter of the feedback path), but you cannot use that signal as a modulator. The audio mod allows the signal to be used as audio rate modulator. Of course it is possible to use also individual oscs as mod sources, but the audio out combines everything and can result in more organic sounds, because the audio out and mod bus form kind of a feedback loop, not from audio to audio, but from audio to selected modulation destination.

Pym, when is the final P12 OS 1.3.1 with audio out mod working coming out?  :D
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: lt773 on December 28, 2015, 08:05:49 AM
Pym, when is the final P12 OS 1.3.1 with audio out mod working coming out?  :D

+1 It's so very close!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 28, 2015, 12:15:10 PM
But I do like to put in a word for pure music in the midst of all the techno-talk.

Walk into any factory making paint for artists and you will see artists on one side discussing the colors they want and highly educated chemists in the other side realizing the products. Same with synthesizer: the artistic and the technical aspects.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Paul Dither on December 28, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
I don't think this has been posted here yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9a2lPjzEo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB9a2lPjzEo)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Howard Scarr on December 29, 2015, 07:19:24 AM
On page 8 of the 1.3 addendum it says "download the alternative tunings from the Prophet 12 Support section of the DSI website". Can somebody please point me to the appropriate page?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: BobTheDog on December 29, 2015, 11:14:11 AM
You could try the one here http://dsiforum.com/download/file.php?id=1551 worked with the beta so probably fine for the release version.

Also make sure to set some delay between sysex messages in whatever tool you are using to send the file.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: dslsynth on December 29, 2015, 11:19:07 AM
Nice support site debugging, Howard Scarr! I would suggest asking DSI support to verify and fix that potential omission.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Razmo on December 30, 2015, 01:50:30 AM
On page 8 of the 1.3 addendum it says "download the alternative tunings from the Prophet 12 Support section of the DSI website". Can somebody please point me to the appropriate page?

Im fairly certain that it's the Prophet 6 support site that has them... and that DSI once said to download them from there.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Howard Scarr on December 30, 2015, 07:15:06 AM
You could try the one here http://dsiforum.com/download/file.php?id=1551 worked with the beta so probably fine for the release version. Also make sure to set some delay between sysex messages in whatever tool you are using to send the file.
Thanks Bob. The .syx file doesn't come with any instructions - do I simply fire the data at my Pro12 just like an OS update?
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: yewtreemagic on December 30, 2015, 08:08:19 AM
You could try the one here http://dsiforum.com/download/file.php?id=1551 worked with the beta so probably fine for the release version. Also make sure to set some delay between sysex messages in whatever tool you are using to send the file.
Thanks Bob. The .syx file doesn't come with any instructions - do I simply fire the data at my Pro12 just like an OS update?

Hi Howard!

Nice to see a Facebook friend here ;)

Yes, as far as I remember (it's five months since I downloaded and installed the AltTunings1-16_17May2015.syx file), you just send it like an OS update.

Before you get TOO excited though, the various tuning options are sadly a global setting, rather than saved with each program, so you have to select the appropriate tuning by hand each time you want to revisit a particular non-equal-tempered program :-\


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: WytchCrypt on December 30, 2015, 10:50:20 AM
So I'm running 1.2.26 beta and was wondering since the audio out mod source is still not working in 1.3 is there any reason I should upgrade?  Anything besides the audio out mod working in 1.3 that wasn't in 1.2.26?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: BobTheDog on December 30, 2015, 11:00:50 AM
Yes, as far as I remember (it's five months since I downloaded and installed the AltTunings1-16_17May2015.syx file), you just send it like an OS update.
Martin

Also the tunings file is made up of multiple sysex messages and the P12 needs a time gap between each message being sent so it is important to set this up with whatever sysex sender you are using.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: WytchCrypt on December 30, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
So I'm running 1.2.26 beta and was wondering since the audio out mod source is still not working in 1.3 is there any reason I should upgrade?  Anything besides the audio out mod working in 1.3 that wasn't in 1.2.26?

Thanks!

I went ahead and did the 1.3 upgrade anyway and loaded the 40 new FM voices...Fun  8)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: yewtreemagic on December 31, 2015, 02:24:23 AM
Yes, as far as I remember (it's five months since I downloaded and installed the AltTunings1-16_17May2015.syx file), you just send it like an OS update.
Martin

Also the tunings file is made up of multiple sysex messages and the P12 needs a time gap between each message being sent so it is important to set this up with whatever sysex sender you are using.

On my PC I used MIDIOX and set its Low Level Output Buffers (Sysex View, Configure) to Num = 1024 ad Size =1024, in line with DSI's OS recommendation. I then set both Delay Between Buffers and Delay after F7 to 250 Milliseconds.

Hope this helps!


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Robot Heart on January 05, 2016, 05:57:50 PM
On page 8 of the 1.3 addendum it says "download the alternative tunings from the Prophet 12 Support section of the DSI website". Can somebody please point me to the appropriate page?

Thanks for the catch, we've updated the support pages for Prophet 12 Keyboard & Module, as well as the Prophet-6 Keyboard & Desktop with the alternate tunings files under the "Download Sound Banks" links:

http://www.davesmithinstruments.com/support/
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Robot Heart on January 05, 2016, 05:59:25 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now?

Ugh. This bug snuck back in, thanks for letting us know. We've fixed it again and we'll post a new beta shortly after internal testing.
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Razmo on January 05, 2016, 07:46:56 PM
Is the audio mod source in the mod matrix working now?

Ugh. This bug snuck back in, thanks for letting us know. We've fixed it again and we'll post a new beta shortly after internal testing.

THANKS!!!  :)
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: yewtreemagic on January 06, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
Hooray!

Thanks Robot Heart - I can hear yours beating from here  ;)


Martin
Title: Re: Prophet 12 O/S version 1.3!
Post by: Sacred Synthesis on January 08, 2016, 05:57:22 AM
I came across this brief video demonstration of the Prophet 12's FM in use.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjrkPpYglTo