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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Pro 2 => Topic started by: binman_uk on March 21, 2017, 12:48:32 AM
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Go... :D
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thanks for fast debugging!
Question:
Is it possible to enter chords in Paraphonic sequencer mode, besides entering 4 seperate notes on the first 4 sequencer lanes?
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Sorry, another question, or may be I should say mine is not solved yet.
I still haven't figured out how to record Paraphonic Sequencer. Always only the Track 1 and the last recorded track remains, and the rest of the tracks will have "*" overwritten to Note Names and Velocity Values, erasing what was recorded there before.
I need help on this.
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Thank you very much for the update, DSI :-)
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Here's a quick 'n dirty example of paraphonic recoding. Sorry for the low quality, but it should be pretty clear how to get it going!
https://archive.org/details/VID20170321103716
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I can't play that video, I can see it downloading, clicking on the timeline works but it won't play.
Safari 10.0.3.
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I can't play that video, I can see it downloading, clicking on the timeline works but it won't play.
Safari 10.0.3.
May be you need a flash installed.
Or view with Google Chrome instead of Safari, like I did.
Now I see some lights on my Paraphonic Sequencer issue, I'll try it out by myself later today. Thanks.
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Here's a quick 'n dirty example of paraphonic recoding. Sorry for the low quality, but it should be pretty clear how to get it going!
https://archive.org/details/VID20170321103716
Thank you!
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from my post in 1.2.3 discussion :
when I switch a patch (for instance, the basic program) to paraphonic mode, all the keys produce the same note (corresponding to the last note played in the previous mode). I checked, key follow is active for each oscillator and there's no way I can activate key tracking. Doesn't happen with patches saved as paraphonic in memory...
same thing in 1.2.3.2 unfortunately
what's even more strange, if I change a patch to paraphonic when a sequence with different notes is running, all the steps in the sequence suddenly play the same note (key follow still on for all the osc).
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back to normal when I switch back to 1.2.0.2
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I can't play that video, I can see it downloading, clicking on the timeline works but it won't play.
Safari 10.0.3.
May be you need a flash installed.
Or view with Google Chrome instead of Safari, like I did.
Now I see some lights on my Paraphonic Sequencer issue, I'll try it out by myself later today. Thanks.
Ok, so now I succeeded in recording four note chords into the Paraphonic Mode Sequencer, thanks a lot.
But what I wanted to do was to record a monophonic melody line tied to each of four oscillators, making a sort of like a four-part multitimbral recording/playback. Of course this can be done with previous PRO2 sequencer mode by setting oscillator pitch differential values from the originally set pitch to the designated note pitch. But that's pretty hard to program, so I wished if I could input Note Names by playing keyboard instead of setting differential numbers by knobs to each of four tracks each tied with each of four oscillators.
Is this still not possible?
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from my post in 1.2.3 discussion :
when I switch a patch (for instance, the basic program) to paraphonic mode, all the keys produce the same note (corresponding to the last note played in the previous mode). I checked, key follow is active for each oscillator and there's no way I can activate key tracking. Doesn't happen with patches saved as paraphonic in memory...
same thing in 1.2.3.2 unfortunately
what's even more strange, if I change a patch to paraphonic when a sequence with different notes is running, all the steps in the sequence suddenly play the same note (key follow still on for all the osc).
Hi phisynth. I'm not seeing these behaviors here. Could you please list the exact steps that lead to this behavior for you, starting with a Basic Patch (shortcut: LATCH 1 + HOLD)? Also, feel free to contact us through our direct technical support channel. Thanks!
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Ok, so now I succeeded in recording four note chords into the Paraphonic Mode Sequencer, thanks a lot.
But what I wanted to do was to record a monophonic melody line tied to each of four oscillators, making a sort of like a four-part multitimbral recording/playback. Of course this can be done with previous PRO2 sequencer mode by setting oscillator pitch differential values from the originally set pitch to the designated note pitch. But that's pretty hard to program, so I wished if I could input Note Names by playing keyboard instead of setting differential numbers by knobs to each of four tracks each tied with each of four oscillators.
Is this still not possible?
Hi NemoSynth. The new Paraphonic Recording mode will make it easier to do what you're wanting to do, if I understand your goal correctly. Are you familiar with the functionality that existed previously with only track one ("notes" track), where you hold the step button for a given step and press a key to enter the note for that step? Well, now with the sequencer set to paraphonic, you can do this on tracks one though four, instead of only track one, with track one corresponding to oscillator one, track two corresponding to oscillator two, and so forth.
So, you can't record a separate monophonic melody for each oscillator using the RECORD button in the new Paraphonic recording mode, but you can do this much more efficiently than you were able to previously with the method listed above. I hope this helps!
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Ok, so now I succeeded in recording four note chords into the Paraphonic Mode Sequencer, thanks a lot.
But what I wanted to do was to record a monophonic melody line tied to each of four oscillators, making a sort of like a four-part multitimbral recording/playback. Of course this can be done with previous PRO2 sequencer mode by setting oscillator pitch differential values from the originally set pitch to the designated note pitch. But that's pretty hard to program, so I wished if I could input Note Names by playing keyboard instead of setting differential numbers by knobs to each of four tracks each tied with each of four oscillators.
Is this still not possible?
Hi NemoSynth. The new Paraphonic Recording mode will make it easier to do what you're wanting to do, if I understand your goal correctly. Are you familiar with the functionality that existed previously with only track one ("notes" track), where you hold the step button for a given step and press a key to enter the note for that step? Well, now with the sequencer set to paraphonic, you can do this on tracks one though four, instead of only track one, with track one corresponding to oscillator one, track two corresponding to oscillator two, and so forth.
So, you can't record a separate monophonic melody for each oscillator using the RECORD button in the new Paraphonic recording mode, but you can do this much more efficiently than you were able to previously with the method listed above. I hope this helps!
Hey, thanks extempo! And sorry for my broken English, as I'm not a native English speaker.
I'll try your method this evening.
Yes, I was aware that each of the first four tracks were tied to corresponding numbered oscillators, but I was always using the Record button to input the notes. I wasn't aware of holding the Step button and hit the key method. Ok, I see more lights now :) Can't wait to try it out tonight.
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Ok, so now I succeeded in recording four note chords into the Paraphonic Mode Sequencer, thanks a lot.
But what I wanted to do was to record a monophonic melody line tied to each of four oscillators, making a sort of like a four-part multitimbral recording/playback. Of course this can be done with previous PRO2 sequencer mode by setting oscillator pitch differential values from the originally set pitch to the designated note pitch. But that's pretty hard to program, so I wished if I could input Note Names by playing keyboard instead of setting differential numbers by knobs to each of four tracks each tied with each of four oscillators.
Is this still not possible?
Hi NemoSynth. The new Paraphonic Recording mode will make it easier to do what you're wanting to do, if I understand your goal correctly. Are you familiar with the functionality that existed previously with only track one ("notes" track), where you hold the step button for a given step and press a key to enter the note for that step? Well, now with the sequencer set to paraphonic, you can do this on tracks one though four, instead of only track one, with track one corresponding to oscillator one, track two corresponding to oscillator two, and so forth.
So, you can't record a separate monophonic melody for each oscillator using the RECORD button in the new Paraphonic recording mode, but you can do this much more efficiently than you were able to previously with the method listed above. I hope this helps!
Hey, thanks extempo! And sorry for my broken English, as I'm not a native English speaker.
I'll try your method this evening.
Yes, I was aware that each of the first four tracks were tied to corresponding numbered oscillators, but I was always using the Record button to input the notes. I wasn't aware of holding the Step button and hit the key method. Ok, I see more lights now :) Can't wait to try it out tonight.
YES!! I got the Paraphonic Sequencer play in four part quasi-multitimbral manner!! Thanks so much!!!! This is a great new feature!!!!
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Glad you're enjoying it NemoSynth!
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from my post in 1.2.3 discussion :
when I switch a patch (for instance, the basic program) to paraphonic mode, all the keys produce the same note (corresponding to the last note played in the previous mode). I checked, key follow is active for each oscillator and there's no way I can activate key tracking. Doesn't happen with patches saved as paraphonic in memory...
same thing in 1.2.3.2 unfortunately
what's even more strange, if I change a patch to paraphonic when a sequence with different notes is running, all the steps in the sequence suddenly play the same note (key follow still on for all the osc).
Hi phisynth. I'm not seeing these behaviors here. Could you please list the exact steps that lead to this behavior for you, starting with a Basic Patch (shortcut: LATCH 1 + HOLD)? Also, feel free to contact us through our direct technical support channel. Thanks!
Thanks for the reply
Well, I don't have the beta installed any longer and went back to 1.2.0.2...
But as far as I can remember, it was simply by selecting a non paraphonic patch (key follow is working), basic program or any other, switching it to paraphonic mode -> no more key follow (despite being activated in the osc section - deactivating/reactivating it would not work either).
If I selected a patch saved as paraphonic, key follow would work
I tried this with local control on & off, and with midi cables connected or disconnected, with the same results.
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Hi phisynth-
If you can't specifically give us detailed instructions on how to reproduce what you're seeing, this OS is likely to get released as-is because we're not able to find the issue based on your current description. I encourage you to install the latest beta and try again if you'd like to see this potential issue resolved. You also have the option of writing into support if that's preferable to you.
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I'm very happy to see an update that is focused on addressing so many issues. My focus will be on testing instability issues I have experienced and have been trying to avoid.
I also dig the new paraphonic recording mode, however one thing that would make it much more useful would be the ability to modify the oscillator levels independently. It would be nice to have the paraphonic level to control all oscillators relative to where their individual levels were set. Short of that, I'd probably prefer to forego the paraphonic level convenience for the flexibility of individual control if I had the option.
At any rate, great update, DSI! Thanks for your hard work and continued care for the Pro 2!
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Hi phisynth-
If you can't specifically give us detailed instructions on how to reproduce what you're seeing, this OS is likely to get released as-is because we're not able to find the issue based on your current description. I encourage you to install the latest beta and try again if you'd like to see this potential issue resolved. You also have the option of writing into support if that's preferable to you.
OK, I reinstalled 1.2.3.2 and this time paraphonic mode seems to be tracking as expected ???
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Bipolar parameter recording doesn't appear to work.
Example:
1) Selet Factory F5 P94 Ethereal Choir.
2) Enable sequencer
3) Press play and listen... wonderful :-)
4) Set Feedback Tuning to 24
5) Track Select Track 6 for recording
6) Press Record and maximally tweak the Feedback Amt
7) You will both visually and audibly detect that only a parameter range of 127 is being recorded.
Note: Global knob mode does not seem to have an effect as I've tried Relative and Jump
8 ) Listen to what you have. It's not "wild enough"
9) Manually tweak Feedback Amt to maximum negative and positive - here it go wild.
The sequencer appears to be able to record bipolar signals, but it's not doing it correct. Hitting Reset appears to have some influence on the sequencer selecting the "0 position" of the 128 value range it will record a bipolar signal, but it's not consistent (at least observably for me).
Note: same results with Envelope Amt for Filter 1 and 2
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Track 1 Notes behavior ambiguous in Paraphonic Sequences: (specifically Note: Off disables Key Play Source)
1) Start with F5 P94 Ethereal Choir
2) Enable Sequencer
3) Seq Misc enable Paraphonic
4) Record a paraphonic sequence... listen... mmmm wonderful. :-)
5) Set Sequencer Play Source to Key
6) Move the pitch of your chord sequence by pressing different keys. Sweet!
7) Imagine you want to continue playing manually but you'd like the sequencer to continue modulating from other tracks
8) Select Track 1. It's the only Paraphonic Track with Notes option.
9) Set Notes to Off
10) The Sequencer is no longer gated by key presses. Why? I've only told the Sequencer to not trigger Notes, I didn't tell it to stop running altogether
11) Set Sequencer to Play Source = Sequence. The sequencer continues and interpretts Track 1 Note Off to mean "don't play any notes" and the Sequences works as expected (sorta)
Initially I thought it was playing paraphonically, but the release envelopes are so long that I think it was an illusion. The paraphonic behavior seems random to me. I'll detail that more later.
The focus of this issue would be why does the Sequence stop when Play Mode = Key and Track 1 is set to Notes: Off? That's ambiguous to me.
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Track 1 Notes behavior ambiguous in Paraphonic Sequences: Example 2
1) select Factory F6 P66 Sad Strings
2) Set Sequencer to Paraphonic
3) Record paraphonic sequence
4) Select Track 1 and turn Notes: to Off
5) What's supposed to happen now? What I hear is all the envelopes are stuck open.
6) The sequencer continues to run because the Play Source is set to Sequence
7) Paraphonic behavior of keys is totally random, but notably randomly mono.
Note: this is a different paraphonic behavior that I noted in the previous note and I don't understand why. I have been trying to sequence modulate and play this patch paraphonically for 2 years now. This seems like a function that should work especially now that paraphonic sequencing is officially part of the feature set.
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hi - i am noticing very odd behaviour simply when trying to download the sysex file itself - everytime i download it (mac safari/ mac chrome and windows firefox) the file size is different! And so it invariably fails during the update process at the same segment F7: 1221. Is there a way to get access to the file in say, zip format so that i can make sure the file itself is ok ? This is not an issue I have encountered before (file size varying for repeated downloads of the same file) - thanks!
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When the sequencer is in paraphonic mode, I can't adjust the levels or velocity of the individual oscillators. After recording notes, the velocity for each note is shown as different on the sequencer track, but there's no difference in sound.
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don't know if its been posted, but after recording in paraphonic mode, I can't change any of the seq notes in seq 2,3,4 also when i try and put rests in, it reverts back to mono
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Bipolar parameter recording doesn't appear to work.
Example:
1) Selet Factory F5 P94 Ethereal Choir.
2) Enable sequencer
3) Press play and listen... wonderful :-)
4) Set Feedback Tuning to 24
5) Track Select Track 6 for recording
6) Press Record and maximally tweak the Feedback Amt
7) You will both visually and audibly detect that only a parameter range of 127 is being recorded.
Note: Global knob mode does not seem to have an effect as I've tried Relative and Jump
8 ) Listen to what you have. It's not "wild enough"
9) Manually tweak Feedback Amt to maximum negative and positive - here it go wild.
The sequencer appears to be able to record bipolar signals, but it's not doing it correct. Hitting Reset appears to have some influence on the sequencer selecting the "0 position" of the 128 value range it will record a bipolar signal, but it's not consistent (at least observably for me).
Note: same results with Envelope Amt for Filter 1 and 2
Hi blewis. Thanks for including steps to reproduce what you're reporting! You'll notice that this behavior is present on prior OS versions, too, and not new to 1.2.3.2. It's on our list.
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When the sequencer is in paraphonic mode, I can't adjust the levels or velocity of the individual oscillators. After recording notes, the velocity for each note is shown as different on the sequencer track, but there's no difference in sound.
Hi Trevor. In the current implementation, the velocity for each step in Paraphonic Recording mode is taken from the last note you recorded for that step. So, for example, if you play a three note chord for step one, adjusting the velocity for track 3 step one will set the velocity for that step. We are likely going to change this to where the velocity for the step is always performed on track one, however.
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hi - i am noticing very odd behaviour simply when trying to download the sysex file itself - everytime i download it (mac safari/ mac chrome and windows firefox) the file size is different! And so it invariably fails during the update process at the same segment F7: 1221. Is there a way to get access to the file in say, zip format so that i can make sure the file itself is ok ? This is not an issue I have encountered before (file size varying for repeated downloads of the same file) - thanks!
Did you ever get this figured out? It sounds like the download is getting corrupted somehow. Is it possible to try the download from a different computer?
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Manual says the following:
Reset Button: Holding this button and pressing a numbered step LED
marks that step as the end of a sequence.
Are there special circumstances in which this works? I'm trying to shorten a sequence but holding Reset and a step key is not doing anything here. Have tried it during playback, stopped and in record mode.
Also, the sequencer play mode 'once' doesn't seem to work. I'm externally synced and have checked the option for MIDI clock but no start/one run through is happening when I hit the button (great feature BTW!).
Is it by design that you can't just hit Play to start the sequencer? What happens is you hit Play and the Sequencer button flashes, meaning 'hit me first big boy'. Seems to be twice as many button-presses as you need.
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Thx a lot for the OS updates as I saw two of "my" bugs fixed :)
- Fixed Bug: received program change commands are not loading saved program into edit buffer when program change equals curently selected program
- Fixed Bug: does not respond to universal sysex device inquiry messages
Now, just waiting for the official release to change from 1.2.0.2 8)
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As there is a new beta OS available, I am locking this thread. Please direct any comments to the new discussion thread (http://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,1304.0.html).
Thanks!