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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Pro 2 => Topic started by: Pepe on November 15, 2015, 06:52:29 PM
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Hi DSI, better easier methods to madness with this fine instrument :)
1. Ability to enter rests (ala prophet 6) in the sequencer with some button. Recording and then muting steps as an option is cool but counterproductive and unmusical for me now, the moment is everything.
2. "Categories" for sounds..pads, basses, sequences, etc especially if we are not getting a soft librarian.
3. Panning individual and all oscillators...the instrument feels closed with space, even when using DC offset to pan-lfo , it doesnt hard pan.
4. Ability to record para-phonically or a quick ability to have different osc playing different parts..now its super cumbersome/convoluted.
i think thats all from me for now , hope others add some cool ideas :)
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5. some sequencer note step randomizers or shifters would be most welcomed. roll the dice plz :)
6. real time recording
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Loving the Pro 2. But, some suggestions for improvement are as follows.
Regarding the sequencer:
- Sequencer has 16*16 and 32*8 steps/track. I'd love to also see 64*4.
- I second Pepe regarding sequencer randomisation. Would love to randomise controller data for a track.
- Multi-select sequencer steps by pressing more than one step button at once.
- Run the arpeggiator simultaneously with the sequencer.
Modulation:
- Arp Repeats as a Modulation Destination.
- Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.
- Slots! More modulation slots. MOAR!!
Filter routing:
- Individual control over which oscillator routes to which filter.
Delay settings:
- "Send" parameter together with "Amount" and "Feedback" to be able to emphasis certain steps and notes in a sequence.
Oscillator feature:
- Oscillator syncing with noise. This can produce some really nice timbres.
Updated Jan 3rd 2016 @ 11:55 CET.
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---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it
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---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it
The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.
Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone!
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---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it
The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.
Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone!
Just out of curiosity: What does make the Pro 2's processor power a potential limiting factor when compared to the Prophet 12? The additional sequencer and/or Superwaves?
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- Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.
That would certainly be a killer feature!
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Hi,
just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
- OSC leds showing which oscillator is used in a patch and acting as OSC ON/OFF toggle. Edit single OSC by holding a led button longer. Multi-edit by holding the needed OSC buttons longer.
- when moving a knob, display the panel value (this is OK) but also the loaded preset value for comparison purposes
Best wishes for 2016 to all of you!
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Hi,
just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
- OSC leds showing which oscillator is used in a patch and acting as OSC ON/OFF toggle. Edit single OSC by holding a led button longer. Multi-edit by holding the needed OSC buttons longer.
My Pro 2 behave just like that when you switch it on. Goes directly to the last program used. I'm on OS 1.1.0.
But the oscillator behaviour would be great to have. I fully support that. It would be logical since that's how the Sequencer works. The Oscillator buttons could be lit for on, but dimmed, and then blink a little extra when the voice is triggered - just like the LFO's tiny LEDs does :)
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David
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- Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.
That would certainly be a killer feature!
You would then be able to actually create a sort of wave-sequencing as found on the Korg Wavestation. Not really the same, I know, but could still be utterly cool.
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Hi,
just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
Before you turn the P2 off press the global button twice then the next time you turn it on it will be on the last patch used.
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Hi,
just got the Pro2 one week ago. Here are a few basic simple things that would greatly enhance the usage of this great synth:
- on switch ON, be directly on last used patch
Before you turn the P2 off press the global button twice then the next time you turn it on it will be on the last patch used.
Thx! I just did it and it works fine (is this documented somewhere in the manual?)
BUT you need to do this each time before switching off... :( Therefore, would still be good to have a default behaviour ;)
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DSI have said it is done this way to extend the life of the non-volatile memory in the P2.
So by default it is not updated.
It is a common issue that users initially have though so who knows if they may change it.
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Filter routing:
- Select which oscillator to send to which filter.
- For example;
- Oscillator 1 -> Filter 1.
- Oscillator 2, 3 and 4 -> Filter 2
Delay settings:
- "Send" parameter together with "Amount" and "Feedback".
When sequencing the delay parameters, it would be great to have a "Send" parameter so I can emphasis certain notes or steps with a wet delay. I can't make it work with the Amount and Feedback since the step after would kill the delay.
I hope I don't sound like a whiner. I really love playing and programming the Pro 2. It might be the most inspiring synth I've bought in 10 years. My wife says our bed is too narrow for me to take the Pro 2 with me when sleeping ;)
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Hi David,
I'm sure you know but just to check you can change the routing to 1+2->filter 1 and 3+4->Filter 2
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Hi David,
I'm sure you know but just to check you can change the routing to 1+2->filter 1 and 3+4->Filter 2
I've tried it, but while working on a program yesterday it would have been a nice feature sending three of the oscillators to Filter 2 while only one oscillator ran through Filter 1. This is probably on the bottom of my feature request list though ;)
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I've updated this (http://forum.davesmithinstruments.com/index.php/topic,115.msg1585.html#msg1585) post with more suggestions.
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---Linear FM ....prophet 12 , really unfair if we dont get it
The potential limiting factor for Linear FM in the Pro 2 would be processor power. We will very likely be looking into linear FM implementation on the Pro 2 in the near future, but we don't have a specific timeframe at this point.
Thanks for your enthusiasm for the Pro 2, everyone!
Just out of curiosity: What does make the Pro 2's processor power a potential limiting factor when compared to the Prophet 12? The additional sequencer and/or Superwaves?
Hi Paul. There's a lot going on under the hood in the Pro 2. We won't know for sure until we're next able to look at things more closely.
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One thing I'd really like, that I haven't heard anyone mention, is the implementation of some sort of setting in paraphonic mode that limits the oscillators used to only 3 so the 4th one can be used as a modulation source. I think that this would be amazing, and doesn't sound like it would be too difficult to implement.
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Potentially simple request that would be real nice: ability to mute sequencer tracks :)
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Oh yes, and I would totally love to be able to send the delay(s), or ideally the option to switch between amount (delay level really, as it currently is) and send.
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Could be nice to have 2 or 4 sequencer tracks able to handle notes (at the moment only 1).
Destination would be each oscillator (4 note tracks) or 2 pairs of oscillators (2 note tracks) or 3+1 (2 note tracks).
But honestly I don't know what the possibilities are technically as the Pro2 is monophonic (but also paraphonic ;))
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Ratcheting on the sequencer would be nice
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I've seen this suggested before somewhere but not in this thread I believe:
- Individual clock divide per track.
Useful when using Pro 2 as a sequencer for external devices and allow tracks to be used as very flexible LFOs.
Another thing I don't think is possible but as of now that would be useful is legato style note ties. I'm not really sure how well I can explain what I mean but it would look somthing like this in terms of MIDI:
Step 1: Note A on.
Step 2: Note B on, then note A off.
Step 3: Note B off, then note C on.
etc...
When entering step 2 Note A is still being held (tie) when note B is struck which will produce a legato glide effect when KEY ASSIGN is set to Last Note (or equivalent if sequencing external gear).
When entering step 3 Note B is turned of before Note C is struck, producing no legato.
I realise that this could be acheived using the slew parameter as well but if I want the glide be the same fo all steps anyway this is easier (or possible in the case of external gear).
Not that important really but useful for acid style leads and the like.
Suggestion 3:
- Oscillator waveform as a sequencer destination.
Obviously the slop parameter would have to be disabled here as it doesn't really make much sense. Useful for percussion sounds.
I should note that I don't have Pro 2 yet (will have one at the end of the month though) so some of these things might already be possible. Couldn't find anything in the manual or any demos showcasing it though.
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Here's my short list:
- linear FM a la the Pro 12
- more mod slots (can get rid of the fixed mod slots and just preset them?)
- delay amount (all) destination. Useful if you want to use a mod wheel or slider to crank up delay. Also like the idea of having some way to preset the delay independently from a patch so you can use it like an fx
- some way to see the name of the patch you're overwriting
- some way to set global parameters for CV so you can use the board like a controller
- linear FM a la the Pro 12 :)
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YES PLEASE on the FM capabilities!
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Having only had my Pro 2 for a few days now I had many of the same suggestions already in this fantastic thread. Here's a few more that I couldn't see elsewhere:
Record arp to sequencer track
Transpose sequence without a note sounding (DSI acknowledged this is a bug)
Transpose midi tracks that have notes (maybe as an option)
Playlist / chain for sequence tracks
Change patches but keep current sequences in buffer for new patch
I must say that this synth is simply inspiring - all the parts add up to much more than I had hoped for! I hope DSI give it some more loving ;)
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The ability to copy oscillator settings between...erm...oscillators. :D
I know I can select all the oscs to edit at once, but say I come up with a sound using osc1 and I want a second osc with the same setup. Something like...hold osc1 button down and press osc2 perhaps?
Ta,
Eric
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I think things that are missing are additions to the sequencer.
Mainly: More than 1 Note sequencer. I bought this synth thinking there would be at least 8 of them (especially when sold as a synth to control modular synths Via CV) . Very surprised to only find 1! There seems space in the interface for it too.
More: Different clock divider settings per sequencer.
Arp & sequencer at the same time/ record arp to seq.
FM enhancements.
Thanks!
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You can use any of the sequencer lanes to sequence "notes", what exactly are you missing?
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Maybe I haven't found how to do it yet - That's great news if you can! I understand you can sequence notes on more tracks than the first, but can you see note names etc like the first 'note' track? That is a nice, clear way of displaying the info. (of course, maybe I just haven't found this yet)
I think another nice addition, which I haven't seen here, would be a scale quantise of the note track(s), after the sequence transpose stage. Like the Elektron A4 and a several eurorack sequencers it would be great to move sequences around the keyboard yet keep them 'in-scale'. Very useful for composing.
I'm coming from a modular environment where these features (usually limited to 1 sequencer at a time) are fairly common and are easy to do. I think they would enhance the PRO2, which is sold on the power of its sequencers. I just updated to the latest beta so there are probably several features I'm yet to discover compared to OS1.
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If you set the destination of a sequencer track to a midi output then you get the "Note" type view with note name and velocity. You can enter notes with velocity by holding down a step button and using the keyboard.
If you are using a CV output then you get the "Bar" type interface, you can still enter notes using the keyboard.
There is no quantise to scale but that would be a neat addition.
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If you set the destination of a sequencer track to a midi output then you get the "Note" type view with note name and velocity. You can enter notes with velocity by holding down a step button and using the keyboard.
If you are using a CV output then you get the "Bar" type interface, you can still enter notes using the keyboard.
There is no quantise to scale but that would be a neat addition.
How do I set midi out as a destination on a sequencer track? (Its not in the manual as far as I can see) Does this have to be done in the Mod Matrix or is there a shortcut?
Also - is there a way to trigger the various envelopes via a modulation "trigger"?. This could effectively give the pro 2 a cool way of controlling the volume of it's various voices amongst other things. A 'trigger' option - is essentially like running out a CV and back in but I don't think Envelope trigger is a destination.
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Bob the dog - found the midi output via google search. It was quite well hidden!
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If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...
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If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...
I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?
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If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...
I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?
Well, I understood that only Track 1 can contain notes. Can other tracks also contain notes (to be honest I didn't try this yet)?
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If we get several Notes tracks in the sequencer, we have then several sequences...
So, possibility to launch those different sequences track by track either manually or as a song.
Only one track active at a time.
In fact each Note track could be considered as a monotimbral pattern...
I think "mute tracks" has been requested as a feature already, and I think this is the same / could achieve the same as what you are suggesting?
Well, I understood that only Track 1 can contain notes. Can other tracks also contain notes (to be honest I didn't try this yet)?
Yes! However, those notes must go to midi (or CV) out, as track 1 is reserved for Pro 2 notes. Hopefully if DSI introduce sequencing for all 4 oscs, then this may change!
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It would be great if, while in sequencer mode, you could hold the Tap Tempo button and turn the BPM knob to rotate the notes through the sequencer on the current track. Only rotating the steps that are before the rest. B)
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Hi. I have pro2 6 months and i LOVE it.
Real swing would be welcome here. Akai mpc style. If you could then modulate swing amount whith lets say lfo the sequencer would sound more like a real musician playing when you need that.
Ofcourse the idea of paraphonic sequencer and linear FM are in my top 3 to.
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I would really love to see the ability to speed/frequency of synced LFOs as a mod destination.
If you have the LFO frequency as the destination it only works if the LFO is not synced. As soon as the speed of the LFO is synced to the clock and you can enter 1/8 1/4 .... there is no way to controll the LFO anymore.
-> Synced LFO Speed as mod destination
This was one of the first things i wanted to do when i bought the PRO-2 as i did it with software synth alot. You can come up with very cool rythmic patterns.
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Even if the sequencer is very flexible and exciting, I would like to some extensions
- ratchet parameter to repeat a step up to 8 times within the same step length or
- have a track delay parameter to have this effect on different tracks
- more track modes like random; 1-2-3 - 2-3-4 - 3-4-5..; 1-2-1-2 - 2-3-2-3 - 3-4-3-4...; or even programmable patterns
- clock divider for each track (e.g. track 2 runs at half speed of track 1)
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... and a highly appreciated wish would be to rotate a track step wise...
Sometimes after creating a sequence, you wish to have the "1" of the sequence instead of step 1 at step 5. To make step 5 become step you rotate the track 4 times one step. That is what I wish
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Total co-sign on that Feature Request List :D
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To continue on the sequencer requests (sorry if this has already been asked earlier): while having the sequencer running (but also when stopped), ability to set the 1st step and the last step of the sequence in a direct and easy way (as on new Roland System 8 ).
Maybe build an extra screen for the sequencer and assign Soft key 1 (1-16) and Soft key 2 (17-32) for Start (in combination with one of the Step 1-16 buttons) and Soft key 3 (1-16) and Soft key 4 (17-32) for End (also in combination with one of the Step 1-16 buttons). Soft key 2 and 4 being disabled if the sequence is only 16 steps long.
This easy feature can provide a lot of variety in the play with only one sequence!
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I believe I saw this somewhere on the old board, but not on here. Excuse me if someone else has already mentioned this.
More LOCAL On/Off Options:
Right now, setting LOCAL to OFF, removes the keyboard from the internal synth, as well as removing all other controls to the internal synth. I can see where this would be helpful if using the Pro 2 as a controller with all the knobs mapped to an additional synth, but I'm not sure how many people are using it in this way. I have been using the Pro 2 live for almost two years now, but have never been able to use it as my lone keyboard, and this is due to the behavior of the LOCAL OFF.
Additional options for LOCAL settings:
1. As it currently behaves (all controls/keyboard only send MIDI information)
2. Keyboard only sends MIDI, all other controls only affect local settings
...These two seem most useful, but another other option or two would be helpful
3. Keyboard only sends MIDI, and modifiers like pitch bend, mod wheel and aftertouch also send MIDI, all other controls only affect local.
Some older synths have these options, and more.
Finally, if there were a shortcut to turn Local on/off, that would be a major help. Something like pressing a combination of buttons (like GLIDE and OCTAVE UP for example). If there were multiple LOCAL OFF options, pressing this combination of buttons would set the LOCAL option to whatever the user has it set in GLOBAL. If that were not possible, making LOCAL the first option under Global settings would also be preferable to its current location.
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GLOBAL is the only menu item that does not switch to another menu when another button is pressed, or a knob is turned. It would be helpful if it behaved like the rest of the hardware.
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Top of my list for new features would be the ability to have different clock dividers for each sequencer track. Another useful feature would be the ability to trigger envelopes individually from the sequencer. That would certainly make Env 4 and Env 5 a lot more useful in a lot of cases.
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The only change I want out of the Pro 2 now is the ability for unison/paraphony performance splits. As in, I hit one key and get all 4 oscillators in unison, I hit a second key and I split the two oscillators between each key, and so on until 4 keys have been hit.
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So after a couple weeks with the PRO 2, I love it, but here are some features i'd like to see on it as well :
LFO's and OSC :
- more (and more exotic) LFO waves
- OSC waveform as a modulation destination
- linear FM for the OSC's
SEQUENCER :
- different time signature per sequencer track
- other modes for the sequencer (random, reverse, pendulum,…) - ideally per track also
ENVELOPE :
- the ability to have free running / cycling auxiliary envelopes (not (re-)triggered by the keys or the sequencer)
- the ability to sync free running envelopes to the main tempo like the LFO's
MODULATION :
- main clock as a modulation destination
- the five env sustain as a modulation target
- env delay as a modulation target
- clock as an output (without being forced to use a synced LFO to do that)
- sequencer start / stop as an modulation target
- sequencer mode as a modulation target (if more modes)
- track seq clock divide as a modulation target (if different time signature per track)
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Is this new os is ever going to happen its 2 years if i remember right? from the last one?
Please answer.
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Yep. We're working on it. We've already made a number of bug fixes, though the latest OS is still in the alpha stage so we can't post anything quite yet. We're still finishing up the Tempest OS so we probably won't be able to start on a beta Pro 2 OS until after that. We're hoping to wrap that up in the next few weeks here.
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Great news ! Can you reveal if there will be any new feature or is it bug correction only ?
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Wow super!!! Thank you for so fast answer :) i understand you got alot of work whith tempest becolse of this user list thing. Its good to hear you didnt forgot about us.
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Some new features are likely, but we don't know which ones or how many at this point. We'll know more as it gets closer.
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Oscillators should be able to modulate others OSC (AM / FM) without being present in the mix themselves (level @0) IMHO
It's really strange / limiting you cannot have a sound with only 1 FM'ed OSC
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Of course you can!
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Of course you can!
how ? here modulation is inactive when the modulating OSC is silent - perhaps working when using the modulation matrix ?
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Init to a basic patch.
Select Osc 1->OSC Mods
And change FM Amt or AM Amt.
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Init to a basic patch.
Select Osc 1->OSC Mods
And change FM Amt or AM Amt.
edit : thanks for the reply, my own stupidity in fact : waveform was off for OSC 3 & 4, contrary to what I thought initially
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No problem, glad you got it working :)
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Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6? ;D
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Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6? ;D
There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.
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No shure how far this is easy or possible to implement within the current embedded subsystem:
- (very) small display of frequencies where they apply (instead of the 0-128) - i.e. OSC. LFO, Filter Center?
- same for times in the Delay
- same for numbers of values on sequencer steps
- same for (+/-) percent (where makes sense and is enough space to show)
(i know that this makes just partly sense - especially where further modulation takes place - but could be very helpful to many of us)
These could be shown in even very small charsets - it would be very helpful when tweaking sounds.
These things are just to "dream":
- "dynamic" Env and/or filter graphics (assume this is to hard for the CPU/MC, but "who knows"...ß) - showing the real current curve as modulated / "played"
- simple Oscillograph (yeah, i know this could be overkill for the device, but hey, would be cool.)
many thanks for your time and best regards,
Niels.
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Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6? ;D
There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.
Hadn't seen that, good to know, thanks Paul!
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Are you guys planning a MIDI note send from the Sequencer the same way the Arpeggiator behaves?
I know you can do that by changing the destination of the sequencer track to MIDI, and there is also the Note to CV workaround in the MOD section, but it would be so much better if the sequencer could just send notes via MIDI by default, specially when we want to use the sequencer together with any DAW, plugins and hardware digital synthesizers that do not have CV inputs.
Thanks in advance! ;D
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The Pro-2 an excellent controller for the P-12M. One suggestion as DSI updates the Pro-2 firmware, please align as many of the NRPN's as you can to the P-12M. That way the Pro-2 will be able to control from the board more of the P-12M's functions. I think the first 100 or so are already aligned. It might be a PITA to do, but I would think it would add a selling point to have the Pro-2 and the P-12 module so integrated.
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The Pro-2 an excellent controller for the P-12M. One suggestion as DSI updates the Pro-2 firmware, please align as many of the NRPN's as you can to the P-12M. That way the Pro-2 will be able to control from the board more of the P-12M's functions. I think the first 100 or so are already aligned. It might be a PITA to do, but I would think it would add a selling point to have the Pro-2 and the P-12 module so integrated.
Here here!
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Indicate whether the current patch is paraphonic.
I imagine a little "P" on the display where the current patch-name is shown.
This would help my friend who sometimes plays my Pro2 but keeps trying chords even on monophonic patches.
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I'm so hot for the Pro2 right now. If it receives linear FM update I might blow up in flames ;D
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Another vote for linear FM.
Is there any new informatin when an update might be available and what is in it? I am sure DSI will inform, but to make educated choices on gear it would be nice to know whats in the pipeline, whenver it might come.
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+1 for linear FM
I also support:
- Paraphonic sequencing (i.e. more than 1 note track for internal synth)
- Clock divider per track (how cool would that be!)
- Arpeggiator quantize
- Sequencer swing (per note/MIDI track would be awesome)
- Same rates for delay and LFOs
- The ability to enter rests in real time
- The ability to use arp and sequencer at the same time (arpeggiated sequences, or sequenced arpeggios)
Cheers :)
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We're actively working on an OS update. We have a new alpha OS this week, but we are working on a few other things as well so it might be another couple weeks before we get a beta version stable enough for the forum.
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As I see the Pro2 like a swiss army knife kind of synth, I believe the addition of a Poly Sequencer like on the OB-6 would be a super addition.
Also, I wonder if anybody else wishes to have an indication whether or not the current patch is paraphonic. I imagine a little "p" showing up on the display (there is plenty of space). Would make things easier when browsing I believe.
Looking forward to hear what's in the update :) keep up the good work!
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Many great feature requests. I like them all! Being able to quickly (one button) activate LOCAL ON/OFF would be great for live performance.
I would also love to see the alternate tuning capabilities of the P12 incorporated in the Pro 2.
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1. Ability to enter rests (ala prophet 6) in the sequencer with some button. Recording and then muting steps as an option is cool but counterproductive and unmusical for me now, the moment is everything.
2. "Categories" for sounds..pads, basses, sequences, etc especially if we are not getting a soft librarian.
would be great !!
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Loving the Pro 2. But, some suggestions for improvement are as follows.
Modulation:
- Oscillator Waveform as a Modulation Destination.
Filter routing:
- Individual control over which oscillator routes to which filter.
Delay settings:
- "Send" parameter together with "Amount" and "Feedback" to be able to emphasis certain steps and notes in a sequence.
Oscillator feature:
- Oscillator syncing with noise. This can produce some really nice timbres.
Updated Jan 3rd 2016 @ 11:55 CET.
How Much of the above mentioned has Linear FM potential?
"Oscillator syncing with noise. This can produce some really nice timbres"
I believe I can do that with my Korg R3, I have some great ones using Oscillator syncing w/ Noise..
That's all the Q's for today
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Great to hear that DSI is working on a new OS update.
I know this issue is mentioned in the Pro-2 Main OS 1.2.0.2 thread but I would really like to have the new OS update be able to be sequenced using an Elektron Octatrack with a MIDI cable. I am using the Pro-2 Main OS 1.1.0 because it can be sequenced using the Octatrack.
I hope this can be considered an additional feature request. :)
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Also, I wonder if anybody else wishes to have an indication whether or not the current patch is paraphonic. I imagine a little "p" showing up on the display (there is plenty of space). Would make things easier when browsing I believe.
Looking forward to hear what's in the update :) keep up the good work!
Since you have the ability to name all your programs, perhaps you could add a lower case "p" to the end of the title to indicate that it's paraphonic. Simplest way I would think. Just a suggestion.
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Tempo sync'd envelopes with clock divisions / frequency control for the envelope speed. Also the speed control availible as a modulation destination.
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Hi,
I'm actually a little surprised nobodys mentioned decoupling the sequencer memory from the synth patch memory. Ive owned this thing for over a year now & havent really taken the sequencer all too seriously because I cant sit here n let the same loop run through the entire song & it feels wasteful to use entire patches on just sequencing. If they were decoupled, you could have more usable sound banks if youre sacrificing em for sequencing AMD more usable sequences if you have sounds that arent sequenced internally.
I'm pretty sure Dave worked on the yamaha An1x which had a similar sequencer w the main diference being that you could have one transposable sequence like the Pro2 is now OR have the keys SELECT SEQUENCES! Even better; have the keyboard split w lower half selecting sequences & upper to transpose. I friggin loved that feature. This boosts use for lead/live playability to the next level IMO
I'm not a programmer but since its already running sequences, I feel like it wouldnt take up more processing power. Maybe a lil more memory. IDK
Just an idea.
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Hi there, my first post having got my Pro2 yesterday - some brilliant suggestions here.
I'd like to add a short list for consideration along with the rest:
* would love to see the name of the patch I'm about to overwrite
* the arpeggiator is key-synced - I'd love it if this was merely an option and you could also choose the classic beat-synced method where timing can't be screwed by (my) sloppy playing.
* fab sequencer - how cool would it be if you didn't have to sequence notes at all but could use it for parameter sequencing?
* would be groovy if you could turn off reception of program changes. I turned off transmission thinking it might handle reception too but no. On a related topic, how do I specify the MIDI channel of the second MIDI output (having reassigned Thru to Out - nice feature!)? If not possible, could it be? ;)
* finally, instead of 4 delays of 1 second, it'd be lovely if the time could be allocated dynamically - 4 secs divided any way you want.
Thanks for listening, now back to the joy of experimentation!
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Linear FM would be amazing. +1
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* would love to see the name of the patch I'm about to overwrite
* fab sequencer - how cool would it be if you didn't have to sequence notes at all but could use it for parameter sequencing?
You can use compare in the save menu to not only see the patch, but demo it, and cycle through all user programs.
As far as your sequencing question goes, you could make a single note 16 steps long by tying steps 1 to 16 together, then using the keyboard as the sequence input. This will give you 16 steps of modulation that activate with each new key press, but it will only play one long held note. You will have to adjust your envelopes accordingly, and sequencer track slew will be really handy in this situation (for your modulation tracks). I think that will accomplish what you're trying to do
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I'm new so I don't know if this has been brought up before, but I'd really like the ability to change the gate length of notes in the sequencer and arp. Whether this is a global sequencer amount, or a per step feature, it would be very handy. Right now it sounds that the gate length is fixed at around 75%. If you run a sequence with your amp EG release zeroed, there's a small gap of silence between the notes.
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* the arpeggiator is key-synced
+1
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Is it possible to include "tempo" as a modulation destination on the Pro-02? I'd like to try modulating the sequencer or arp tempo with an LFO, etc.
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Linear FM would be amazing. +1
Bumping this. :)
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>Could you please add the alternative tunings/tuning table support like in the P6, P12, and OB6? ;D
>There was already an according option showing up in the global menu in one of the past updates, but without the fully >implemented functionality yet, so I would assume that this is already on the safe side.
I love my Pro2 on many levels, but I have to say I was quite disappointed the tuning support was not added in the latest OS update. Come on DSI, you have this in so many other instruments, you've got the code, put it in! ;)
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Linear FM would be my number one thing, followed by the knobs having more of an exponential response.
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Modulation inputs: Note #2, #3 and #4
I want to play a poly modular from the keyboard
It'll still be 1 trig which is fine.
Wave shape output would be nice, but it looks like it probably can't switch seamlessly.
With the new OS fixing a seq issue, this synth is very close to being able to do an odd thing perfectly:
Set bpm to the fastest sequence possible, set it to run once, on key.
Make the sequencer shape the attack of your sound. Like they do with the sid chips to make drums.
[square-tri-noiseeeeeeeefalloff]
Each sequencer step chooses a different waveform, and you get an old videogame drum.
You can't modulate waveshape, so instead you just switch oscs with different waveshapes on and off
Sadly, when the super fast sequence ends it cuts off your note. and you don't want it to repeat! Don't remember if a long release helped.
Thanks guys!
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CV Input to Midi Out.
(or any internal modulation optionally also transmitted to Midi Out on its corresponding CC number but I guess this option would mean a massive amount of midi data sent to the computer...)
e.g: if in the mod matrix, the CV Input 1 has for destination the F1 freq, the corresponding CC parameter (95) would be transmitted via USB or Midi cable.
Just the CV to midi would be really useful, there are many Midi to CV solutions in the modular world but not so many CV to Midi.
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Linear FM would be amazing. +1
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeasssssseeeee DSI ! 8)
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My additional feature requests in order of importance would be the ability to import wavetables (or having more waveforms added ) , Linear FM , a shortcut to change Octaves for example if I wanted an oscillator to be at C3 or C4 pressing Up/Down and Pitch at the same time would change octaves making it less tidious than scrolling through the entire thing and numbers at the bottom of the sequencer to make the entire thing even faster. Another cool feature would be to have the other sequencer tracks greyed out behind the current sequencer track so we can compare things
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My additional feature requests in order of importance would be the ability to import wavetables (or having more waveforms added ) , Linear FM , a shortcut to change Octaves for example if I wanted an oscillator to be at C3 or C4 pressing Up/Down and Pitch at the same time would change octaves making it less tidious than scrolling through the entire thing and numbers at the bottom of the sequencer to make the entire thing even faster. Another cool feature would be to have the other sequencer tracks greyed out behind the current sequencer track so we can compare things
All darn good suggestions - but I'm not sure any further updates can be expected.
I'd dearly love to see the MIDI clock bug fixed at the very least. It's a drag having to disconnect incoming clock when programming patches (if you don't, the filter 2 env depth menu randomly pops up, which plays havoc when tweaking the mod matrix etc.).
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Not exactly a feature request, but .... a Desktop Module would be amazing. Would totally get one as an accompaniment to the full keyboard and as an away-mission craft. No way I'd gig with the full board, but a module would get tons of use as a travell rig - bonus would be a streamlined patch-dump method, where the main board could act as the sound-design station and the module would act as the "expander" - Bring the 8-voice duo-phonic madness!
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They don’t appear to be interested in a Pro-2 desktop. People have asked since the beginning.
And for all the talk of “the Pro-2 is the new Evolver”, the lack of a desktop, a poly version, and poly chain begs to differ.
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A desktop module would have happened in between the release of the keyboard version and the Prophet-6. That would have been the pattern according to the typical release policy. I don't think DSI will revisit the Pro 2 in the shape and form of a module roughly three and a half years after its announcement.
A desktop module also would have had to be larger than the Prophet 12 module. Even if the latter was used as a blueprint, you'd still have to squeeze in the whole sequencer section because without it, a Pro 2 would lose its appeal. So maybe DSI just didn't find a good solution for a desktop module that would maintain the tactile advantages of the keyboard version's control panel.
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Personally, I would be thrilled if DSI finally produced a Pro 2 Module, but I'm not expecting it to happen.
Personally I think the Pro 2 voice architecture is very good but it could use a few updates. Also, maybe a Pro 2 module would be too expensive? So I would rather like to see a new voice be build with using the features developed for Pro 2 but with different oscillators. That would be quite a voice and it could possibly be more cost efficient (price/voice count ratio) than a Pro 2 module build using the same voice card as in Pro 2.
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So maybe DSI just didn't find a good solution for a desktop module that would maintain the tactile advantages of the keyboard version's control panel.
One factor could be the time between the release of Pro 2 (summer 2014) and the release of Prophet-6 (NAMM 2015). So maybe there wasn't time for making a Pro 2 module in their schedule?
Product release times are taken from wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Smith_Instruments#Products).
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One factor could be the time between the release of Pro 2 (summer 2014) and the release of Prophet-6 (NAMM 2015). So maybe there wasn't time for making a Pro 2 module in their schedule?
Yeah, that too. In Push Turn Move Dave states that the Prophet 12 module almost didn't happen because for a while the only way they could imagine doing it was to just chop off the keys which would have ended up much too large and too expensive. And then they had the idea that eventually led to the actual Prophet 12 module design, which provides knobs for the most regularly used parameters and organizes easy access to the menu via dedicated buttons for each section.
You couldn't have thrown out more controls for a Pro 2 module that also would need the complete sequencer section on top of that. Otherwise, things would have been rather cumbersome to program. So in conclusion, a Pro 2 module would have become more exepensive than a Prophet 12 module due to more parts alone.
Attached you'll find what you would have to squeeze in one box.
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A desktop module also would have had to be larger than the Prophet 12 module.
2 years ago I did a scaled mock-up using the P-12 and Pro-2 interfaces. No one cared. Photoshop skills certainly didn’t help. :-)
https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0XGWZuqDGnMNyT;F330EF6C-09A4-420D-9FDD-E8C96B993265
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Nice mock ups pics! The thing that got me going on about the concept (which I had seen spoken of in older posts and discussion on why a module may or may not be favored as a production effort by DSI) - was when I popped the hood on the synth and observed that the control panel is conveniently separated into two sections. The entire zone to from the left side of the display to the right edge of the control surface is one PCB, everything on the left of that line is another, they're connected with a ribbon cable. This is the largest single sub-assembly in the unit, (besides the keybed) at about 16" wide. The power supply module is actually pretty large, possible a desktop module could use a smaller type? The voice board with all the jacks is much smaller than the knobs board, and neither of those are as wide as the Rev2 Desktop at 21.6" (that probably includes the end cheeks).
So it almost looks like with very little re-design a desktop box could be achieved by basically arranging existing components and designing the enclosure. Likely there would need to be some mode switching to get at the parameters that would not have dedicated knobs - but that seems like a manageable issue.
All that said - would bet that the choice not to pursue it thusfar likely comes down to a market evaluation - even with minimal dev effort necessary it would constitute another inventory item and would pull resources from other angles to support the inevitable peculiarities of modifying the OS.
I do wonder if it's generally assumed, (and if so would challenge the idea), that a desktop module inherently needs to considerably cheaper than a full keyboard. (Guessing that historically is what is assumed) - but there are certainly use cases for a smaller unit that isn't simply a stripped down version of the full instrument, rather some kind of extension to it.
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+1 linear FM ..this would be my first choice for another update :)
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+1 linear FM ..this would be my first choice for another update :)
Would love it as well!
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Please Dave, random mode for the sequencer, please !!!
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Linear FM!!! It’s beel too long.....please make this happen!!!!
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- Would love to have a method of switching to Bi-Polar control of KEY>F1 FREQ (as well as KEY>F2 FREQ) that doesn't involve using a modulation slot.
- Linear FM
- Slower LFO rates
- Option to turn keyboard off when utilizing Sequencer
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+1 for linear FM
I'd like to add a few simple suggestions for the next update that would be really easy to implement.
1) A switch to adjust the envelope attack slopes from linear to concave or convex.
2) Single shot mode for the LFOs, essentially transforming them into simple envelopes
3) More/Better sounding wavetables. I don't use the wavetables much. A lot of them sound kinda dated and/or uninteresting. Just my opinion, but Massive and Zebra 2 have very interesting and useful wavetables, and the Pro 2 would really benefit from adopting these types of waveforms.
Thanks for listening,
M.
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I think some better sounding wavetables should be added/or we should have the ability to import some of our own wavetables. I agree with the reply above saying the wavetables are dull. They just don't sound nearly as good as some other wavetables do. They sound thin, harsh and eerily similar one to another
The ability to modulate the shape ( switch between waveforms ) and not in a morphy kind of way ( which can already be done using the wavetables ) but in more abrupt fashion to create glitchy sequences ( by automating through the shapes quickly ).
Linear fm would be cool too but I really think the addition of better sounding wavetables would make much more difference
Finally if we could modulate the oscillator shape in a more subtle way to get more analog-ish sounds that would be great. I tried doing this by modulating the oscillator slope with a slow lfo and a random modulation source and also doing a bunch of this stuff do the oscillator shape ( the saw wave in this instance) with the goal of achieving a slightly different phase/waveform for each time a note is pressed and make it more unstable . However i think the saw shape filters some stuff out and makes it too drastic
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I think some better sounding wavetables should be added/or we should have the ability to import some of our own wavetables. I agree with the reply above saying the wavetables are dull. They just don't sound nearly as good as some other wavetables do. They sound thin, harsh and eerily similar one to another
The ability to modulate the shape ( switch between waveforms ) and not in a morphy kind of way ( which can already be done using the wavetables ) but in more abrupt fashion to create glitchy sequences ( by automating through the shapes quickly ).
Finally if we could modulate the oscillator shape in a more subtle way to get more analog-ish sounds that would be great. I tried doing this by modulating the oscillator slope with a slow lfo and a random modulation source and also doing a bunch of this stuff do the oscillator shape ( the saw wave in this instance) with the goal of achieving a slightly different phase/waveform for each time a note is pressed and make it more unstable . However i think the saw shape filters some stuff out and makes it too drastic
Agree..
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Sequencer to send midi notes, like the arp does now. I know it’s been asked for before and I don’t know if there is a good technical reason this can’t be done.
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Sequencer to send midi notes, like the arp does now. I know it’s been asked for before and I don’t know if there is a good technical reason this can’t be done.
You can already send MIDI notes from the Pro 2's sequencer.
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Would also like to see keytracking as a modulation destination.
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Sequencer to send midi notes, like the arp does now. I know it’s been asked for before and I don’t know if there is a good technical reason this can’t be done.
You can already send MIDI notes from the Pro 2's sequencer.
Yea sussed it with some help from others (much appreciated). Can sequences sent to external equipment from the Pro 2 be transposed from the keyboard? If not is this a possible additional feature?
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+1 Linear FM!
Aftertouch as a mod destination.
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After bug fixes (the MIDI clock input bug drives me so crazy I rarely use MIDI sync any more)...
I'd love a more interesting range of digital waveforms. Those of the original Evolver would be great, nastiness and all.
Then I'd like an option for the envelope decays to be exponential, to save all the messing with the mod matrix just to get a typical synth response.
Lastly, yeah linear FM!
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After all this time do we assume that updates for the Pro 2 are now ceased as DSI are concentrating on new products?
I hope not and a new update picking up a few of the most talked about features would be amazing, but since the Rev 2 and now with the X imminent, it would seem this way.
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After all this time do we assume that updates for the Pro 2 are now ceased as DSI are concentrating on new products?
I hope not and a new update picking up a few of the most talked about features would be amazing, but since the Rev 2 and now with the X imminent, it would seem this way.
It's been over a year since the last update, so I'm not counting on there being any more significant updates for the Pro 2. Which is definitely a shame. This synth has so much more potential.
For my FM needs I've turned to Eurorack ie. Intellijel Shapeshifter which also does Wavetable synthesis. That combined with soft synths like Serum and Zebra 2 I have every base covered quite well.
It's too bad because Dave Smith claimed he wanted the Pro 2 to be a forward thinking synth but I always wind up using it for traditional subtractive sounds. Oh well. But, it sounds good for what it does.
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One thing I'd really like, that I haven't heard anyone mention, is the implementation of some sort of setting in paraphonic mode that limits the oscillators used to only 3 so the 4th one can be used as a modulation source. I think that this would be amazing, and doesn't sound like it would be too difficult to implement.
Seconding this one.
But for a different reason: I'd love to be able to play three note chords in paraphonic mode - if I have a long release patch and I'm playing single hand three note chords, one note from the prior chord rings out, making things cloudy. Obviously this is great for some patches, but it would be great to be able to modify Paraphonic mode to 3 voices only.
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Implementing the Unison/share mode from the Korg Mono/Poly. Essentially if you play one note, all 4 oscillators are used, play a 2nd and you have osc’s 1 and two on 1 note, 3 and 4 on the 2nd. Play 3 notes or 4 notes and they each get one oscillator. Does not sound that interesting on paper, but is capable of some unique and expressive effects.
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I was looking into using the Pro 2 to control external gear via CV. As I read the manual, one needs to use 8 mod slots to configure 4 CV outputs to run at 0-5V (1 for each assignment per slot and then a DC offset per slot).
Given that many would often be hooking up to gear where each CV out is at the same voltage value, would it not make sense to have a parameter that sends a DC offset to all CV outputs (and maybe inputs too)? That would free up 3 mod slots.
That is to say, could you please add “all CV outputs”, “all CV inputs” and “all CV inputs/outputs” as modulation destinations. Or have a global menu option that handles CV I/O offset.
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New sequencer destination: Note to CV# out
On the sequencer, the current "CV#" destination allows selection of a value from 0 to 127 be output as a scaled voltage 0-10v. The idea/request is that in addition to that, there's a second destination source "Note to CV#". The UI is the same as the note selection on sequencer track 1, but instead of those notes being played through the Pro 2, the notes are sent as 1v/octave out the chosen CV port. Bonus if the notes can be input via the Pro 2's keyboard.
I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect this is technically possible to achieve now by running the CV out through a quantizer module. The current CV out track allows selection of a value 0 to 127. At 1v/octave, it means each octave has roughly 12.7 values which more or less line up to the 12 semitones per octave. Outputting a C4 probably means a quantizing a value of around 50 (12.7 * 4); outputting C5 would be quantizing 63 (12.7 * 5). Having it be a part of the synth's UI removes not only the approximation and math to determining the output voltage, but also (potentially?) removes the need to have one or more quantizer modules to perform that.
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New here, but love the Pro 2 so far! And the Linear FM I see everyone asked for has been implemented and sounds great :-) So far, all I'd be looking for is more and updated wavetables
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Yes new wavetables would be very welcome!
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I'm not sure if it's feasible or even possible with the paraphonic engine of the Pro 2, but a keyboard split mode would be a desirable feature to me. For example, have oscillator one be assigned to the lower half of the keyboard as a bass patch and have osc 2-4 assigned to upper half for chords or a lead patch.
The idea came to me while watching a Korg Prologue 16 video that was demonstrating the keyboard split mode feature it has. I am aware the prologue is polyphonic with 16 voices, which is a very different beast than the Pro 2 in paraphonic mode that cycles through its 4 oscillators. The Pro 2 is my sole, workhorse synthesizer so this may be a rather unique request.
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Now we have linear FM which is brilliant, please can we get additional waves with proper wavetable scanning? A few people have asked already and I know it would make a lot of people very happy!
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Not having the Pro in my house yet, I can’t check this:
Is there an option to mute and unmute individual modulation routings in the matrix? If not, this would be a great additional feature.
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most important for me: i'm really missing the synced lfo speed of a 8th Dot = 3/4 of 1 beat. would need that quite often...
additional unipolar triangle lfo would be nice too.
besides that, it's my first dsi synth and i love it! ;)
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Now we have linear FM which is brilliant, please can we get additional waves with proper wavetable scanning? A few people have asked already and I know it would make a lot of people very happy!
OH YEEEES !!!!
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In ARP I would like to be able to randomize the amount of repeats instead of just 0-3.
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I submitted the following feature requests via a ticket when dealing with a bug in having:
1. Would it be possible to add the ability to “mute/unmute” a modulation in the matrix using the (currently unassigned) soft button 4. Currently this has to be done by turning off the source, destination or setting the amount to zero; it’d be great if, after having set up a modulation and amount, one could simply switch them in and out as required.
2. Could the option for the sequencer to automatically page through the “steps 1-16” and “steps 17-32” buttons as it plays back so that there is always a light flashing on each of the 32 steps be added?
3. Could pressing both transpose buttons together be made to return transposition to 0?
4. Would it be possible to add the option to have the slider latch button statuses, slider positions (if latched in) and mod wheel position saved with the patch so that the positions are recalled upon loading? Same for the keyboard transpose buttons.
5. If only 1 filter is in use currently but eg mod wheel is assigned to “series-parallel” then have moving the mod wheel from zero switch on both filters (as moving the series-parallel knob currently does). Ideally, moving it back to zero would switch it off again. Same if assigned to aftertouch, sliders or velocity.
Alternatively, have the “filter enable” switches be modulation destinations. Would be cool if the “oscillator split” button was also one
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i have to complete my list. only things i would really make use of. in order of importance for me.
- adding the synced lfo speed of a 8th Dot = 3/4 of 1 beat. PLEEASE!
- additional unipolar triangle lfo
- option to set a lower maximum volume for the volume knob, so i could record a program always at the exact same volume by having the volume knob turned fully clockwise.
(compensating with program volume is not an option, because soundquality suffers.) ((maybe i should glue it at a position somewhere in the middle for that purpose^^))
- show program names to be overwritten when saving a new program
- option to pitch oscillator in octave steps by turning the pitch wheel while holding an extra button maybe
- second local off option that still lets the onboard knobs control the engine
- seeing the value for filter serial/parallel knob
- possibility to set the shape of the envelope curve for each part of the ADSR-Envelopes (all the way from exponential to logarithmic, like Behringer's DEEPMIND)
- possibility to turn off program select knob for not accidently turning it and loosing an unsaved program
- set the phase of oscillator start when not in free running mode
- customizeable init program and shortcut for it
***and of course more wavetables are always welcome***
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Hi all,
i love the PRO2 as it is... But beeing able to upload my own (oncecycle) waveforms would be a super-killer-feature (like in the good old blue evolvers)... But i am not sure, if this is technically possible with the OSC inside the PRO2...
oh man .. uploading a Cwejman-Saw and running it to the Pro2s filters... dreaming :-)
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New wavetables would be incredible.
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Beat frequency detune (i.e. a consistent Hz amount of detune across the range).
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Adding to a really long list but!
Panning of each individual oscillator - could create some wicked evolving stereo patches if we could modulate each osc pan
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Adding to a really long list but!
Panning of each individual oscillator - could create some wicked evolving stereo patches if we could modulate each osc pan
Not sure this is possible, something about stereo limitations I seem to recall. Very happy to be corrected if not...
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How about a duophonic mode, such that we have 2 oscillators on note 1 and two oscillators on note 2?
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I am missing Envelope Delay as modulation destination.
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How about a duophonic mode, such that we have 2 oscillators on note 1 and two oscillators on note 2?
Great shout. That would be totally awesome! Imagine the arp lines in duophonic mode...
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Yeah I also came here to post about the idea of a true duophonic mode.. really would open up some fun sound design. You could even send them through separate filters. Makes me think they could have a regular duophonic and a highnote osc 1,2 low note osc 3,4 duo mode so you could almost treat it like a mulitimbrel bass note and lead type set up. There might be some complications for playing single notes though..
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I submitted a request via a ticket for the option to have the envelopes reset upon subsequent triggers.