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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Sequential Prophet-6 => Topic started by: lvbeethoven on February 03, 2023, 07:52:37 AM

Title: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: lvbeethoven on February 03, 2023, 07:52:37 AM
Hello,

I have a problem with the Prophet 6.
It is connected to a PC running Windows 10 (updated) and is used with Ableton Live 11 (updated)
The Prophet 6 is connected via USB with Ableton which allows it to receive and send data.

The following problem is encountered since yesterday.
When I press play in Ableton, the program selected on the Prophet 6 (ex: 258) automatically returns to program 00.
I have never encountered this problem before.

I'm not sure what to do after a few tries.

Thank you for your attention ;)
Title: Re: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: LPF83 on February 03, 2023, 07:56:47 AM
Hello,

I have a problem with the Prophet 6.
It is connected to a PC running Windows 10 (updated) and is used with Ableton Live 11 (updated)
The Prophet 6 is connected via USB with Ableton which allows it to receive and send data.

The following problem is encountered since yesterday.
When I press play in Ableton, the program selected on the Prophet 6 (ex: 258) automatically returns to program 00.
I have never encountered this problem before.

I'm not sure what to do after a few tries.

Thank you for your attention ;)

disable program change on the synth, or filter in the DAW?
Title: Re: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: lvbeethoven on February 03, 2023, 09:14:01 AM
Hello,

I have a problem with the Prophet 6.
It is connected to a PC running Windows 10 (updated) and is used with Ableton Live 11 (updated)
The Prophet 6 is connected via USB with Ableton which allows it to receive and send data.

The following problem is encountered since yesterday.
When I press play in Ableton, the program selected on the Prophet 6 (ex: 258) automatically returns to program 00.
I have never encountered this problem before.

I'm not sure what to do after a few tries.

Thank you for your attention ;)

disable program change on the synth, or filter in the DAW?

Thank you for that answer,
That's what I tried to do, but couldn't find or disable program change on the Prophet 6
How to disable program change?
It's still weird this situation, I haven't changed anything and now this change is happening.
I'll look around Ableton.
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070489-Sending-Program-Change-messages-from-Live
It is possible that the problem comes from Ableton.

Thanks
Title: Re: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: LPF83 on February 03, 2023, 09:42:40 AM
Hello,

I have a problem with the Prophet 6.
It is connected to a PC running Windows 10 (updated) and is used with Ableton Live 11 (updated)
The Prophet 6 is connected via USB with Ableton which allows it to receive and send data.

The following problem is encountered since yesterday.
When I press play in Ableton, the program selected on the Prophet 6 (ex: 258) automatically returns to program 00.
I have never encountered this problem before.

I'm not sure what to do after a few tries.

Thank you for your attention ;)

disable program change on the synth, or filter in the DAW?

Thank you for that answer,
That's what I tried to do, but couldn't find or disable program change on the Prophet 6
How to disable program change?
It's still weird this situation, I haven't changed anything and now this change is happening.
I'll look around Ableton.
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209070489-Sending-Program-Change-messages-from-Live
It is possible that the problem comes from Ableton.

Thanks

Apologies, one of the issues with lots of gear is confusing what gear can do what.  It looks like I'm mostly filtering program changes in my DAW setup at the moment.  I would have sworn I had done that on my Sequential instruments, but it's possible I came up with some interim workaround that accomplished the same goal.
Title: Re: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: thirteen_engines on February 03, 2023, 07:00:18 PM
I had a similar problem while using Cubase a few years ago. Pushing play to listen to a midi track on my synth resulted in a program change to 00. It turned out to be a (very well hidden) program change command in the midi track. I've since found that I can just turn off program change in Cubase. Perhaps Ableton will do the same?

Keith
Title: Re: USB Prophet 6 & Ableton: automatically returns to program 00 when i press play
Post by: lvbeethoven on February 05, 2023, 12:53:27 AM
I had a similar problem while using Cubase a few years ago. Pushing play to listen to a midi track on my synth resulted in a program change to 00. It turned out to be a (very well hidden) program change command in the midi track. I've since found that I can just turn off program change in Cubase. Perhaps Ableton will do the same?

Keith

Thank you for your answers.
Indeed the problem comes from Ableton, but not directly from Ableton.
It is by importing a midi file from Avid Sibelius (score editor) which, when importing, places the program of the imported midi track on 1 by default.
This has the effect once in Ableton of forcing the return to the 1st program when the midi data is sent to the Prophet 6 (program 00).

Simply disable the function directly in the options offered by Ableton (clip> launch>pgm--), of the imported midi sequence to disable the command.