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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet-5/Prophet-10 => Topic started by: S_A_P on November 28, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
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Since I was pretty happy with the sound(if not the accuracy vs a real Dimension D) of the BBD-320 I bought an extra one that I stick directly after the Prophet 10. I like this because even in bypass mode it will output a 'stereo' signal. Ive noticed that while the lfo in the BBD320 is a bit faster than the original unit, it is similarly subtle enough to not immediately become too chorusy, while giving some movement to the sound. I know that the B word isnt the most popular around here for good reason, so are there any other effects/pedals that you run after your rev4s?
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Since I was pretty happy with the sound(if not the accuracy vs a real Dimension D) of the BBD-320 I bought an extra one that I stick directly after the Prophet 10. I like this because even in bypass mode it will output a 'stereo' signal. Ive noticed that while the lfo in the BBD320 is a bit faster than the original unit, it is similarly subtle enough to not immediately become too chorusy, while giving some movement to the sound. I know that the B word isnt the most popular around here for good reason, so are there any other effects/pedals that you run after your rev4s?
... a prophet 5 module...
... or a second recorded channel...
... or Eventide box of your choice.
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Im in the choir of a second recorded channel. As option, if not just going mono and a great sounding reverb (in my case PCM80) I sometimes use the Boss CE-1 Chorus Ensemble. But there are two drawback and workaround: It color the sound, use it as an aux send at the mixing console instead of insert. It will clip at normal signal strength (common with many older devices), lower the input/turn down the channel fader will fix it. As the pedal as great I consider to mod the input to handle stronger signals.
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In the pedal world, the Boss Was Craft DC-2W is a pretty bang-on recreation of the Dimension D. In the software realm, the UA version is killer, as is the Eventide H910 for more of a 70s Phil Collins sort of thing.
One of my favorites though for a really wide stereo image is Logic's chorus plugin. However, it sucks up a lot of high end detail, so I use it on a bus in an aux send approach, set to 100% wet, and blend with the dry signal. And finally, good ol' double tracking with that vintage knob is a thing of beauty!
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I‘m thinking of get a strymon deco to add a bit of stereo to my Prophet 10. It sounds very interesting 🤔
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I‘m thinking of get a strymon deco to add a bit of stereo to my Prophet 10. It sounds very interesting 🤔
I agree with others here that a light use of chorus will give a nice stereo effect. That's how we did it back in the day with the original P-5's. Of course, you have two tracks running with slight detuning it will get you to the same spot.
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Dry P5 panned to the left, Roland RE-501 Chorus/Spring/Tape Delay on the right! Friggin yuuuuuge!
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I'm amazed at just how big the thing sounds anyway, can only be described as gurt lush. Piping it through my h9000 with almost any of the delays/choruses/reverbs/microtonal shifters/shimmers etc means getting nothing done due to just marvelling at the beauty of the sound!
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I have an Eventide H9 on a switchbox for a bank of synths, mostly for the Minimoog, the P10 is going there. If anyone buys a second P10 for their P10, I would enjoy reading the review. ;-)
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I am currently using the Strymon DIG. You can create a nice stereo chorus with it and still have access to a delay. Sounds amazing to me.
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I have the Boss DC-2w and it doesn’t have enough headroom without a sort of workaround, kind of disappointing.
Strymon or Eventide is probably the best bet
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DC-2w on an aux send to the mixer. Makes it HUGE. I haven't had any problems with headroom like pilgrims did. Perhaps because of it being on the aux send. Also, gfi specular reverb on another aux send with stereo return.
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So didn‘t get a strymon deco but hooked up my Moog M104 analog Echo plus strymon big sky. I‘m done 😍
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I have a pretty short chain, but everything down the line stereos the signal up pretty nicely on its own. A Deco, a Serpah, a Timeline and an ASR1.
The Fromel Serpah (a DimD/DC-2 clone) does a nice subtle stereo widening thing. The independent controls let you dial down the modulation too, if you want that widening without so much chorus on top. It’s a nice addition to the standard DC-2 presets. Plus, it’s got plenty of headroom. Great for synths. Love that pedal.
It’s a similar effect to what the Deco does in its chorus range, just the Deco does it in more up front, less affected way. I like them both for the task, but the Deco just sort of gets you there in a direct, no fuss way, which is nice. Plus, if you run it in it’s wide stereo mode, you’re just there. For a real-time, push-a-button now you’re double tracking FX, it’s great.
I’ve been so enamored with turning knobs and just listening to the Prophet 5 so far, that I haven’t even thought to record the damn thing yet, haha. Gotta try legit hard-pan double tracking it though. The idea of adjusting the vintage knob slightly between tracks sounds like it would yield some great results.
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I’ve only had mine less than a week so still experimenting and honestly just marveling at the sound it can produce dry with zero FX.
I’ll admit I was nervous at first of having a mono out on a poly but the synth sounds so huge with movement that it’s a non issue to me.
I have put mine through a jazz chorus amp for true stereo chorus and although it sounds great, I still find it sounds even better without... unlike the Juno 106 where the chorus makes the sound lol.
P5R4 + RE201 is a different story though and sounds absolutely massive!!
Can’t wait to try some ping-pong delays next, that should be nice for some stereo vibes.
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I'm only getting started with my P10, so I've mostly been marveling at the raw tone like others have mentioned, so what I'm doing today will be different than what I'm doing 5 days from now, no doubt.... but still..
..currently mono out from P10 is running into a Strymon Mobius which I have set to a subtle chorus setting that mostly just widens the sound. The BigSky and the Timeline are on the same output chain and I'm mostly leaving them off, toggling them briefly on very subtle settings, but experimenting with some tape delay and touch of reverb. That's before the signal hits the audio interface.
Inside the DAW I put Arturia Jun-6 Chorus (free Juno Chorus plugin) and Eventide SP2016 (one of my favorite of the more transparent, retro reverbs) and have also been experimenting with those on and off.
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I know this might sound like heresy, but I use an iPad. There are a whole world of unique and amazing effects, including some big players, for dirt cheap....you can literally get 15 of the H9 Eventide effects for the price of 1 of the small size Strymon pedals (which are of course, great too...love my El Capistan).
It's not just about cheap apps though, its that its so flexible and really a different way to work. You can mix and match effects in seconds, try things out in side channels, route things in interesting ways, record and sample the P10 on a whim, and all from just a screen without the huge mess.
If you're not into the audio processing idea, an iPad is also an amazing and flexible midi device via the P10 usb port. There are midi arpeggiators and sequencers and interesting processors. Again, for pennies.
I've been having a great time with this beautiful new synth, and the iPad for me has been a nice and compact one-stop-shop to add all of the features I miss from my P6 and more ;) If anyone wants any tips on apps or setup integration, feel free to ask!
My essential iPadOS apps:
-AUM or Audiobus 3 (pretty much mandatory for setup)
-*FAC Chorus* (and Phazer)
-Nembrini Delay 3000
-Eventide Blackhole
-Rozeta Suite
-Atom or LK
8)
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I'm developing an expansion board specifically designed for the Rev4 Prophets with 10 panpots on it, which is in the final stage of production. It duplicates the existing mixer and output circuitry (same chips) and produces L and R stereo line output and a stereo headphone output. The existing 1/4" stereo headphone jack on the back of the synth is repurposed to be the stereo line-level output. (Again, there is a new stereo headphone output on a 3.5mm jack to replace it.) The existing mono line-level output is unchanged and can be used in conjunction with the stereo output if desired. No traces are cut and no components are removed on any of the existing circuit boards, so the modification is completely reversible if desired. (The existing stereo headphone jack is rotated 180 degrees, but remains attached to the main board.) Photos of my Rev4 and details to come.
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awesome technoroom! can't wait to hear more. very interested!
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If you're interested, an audio demo is posted at https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1327454-new-sequential-prophet-5-10-a-209.html#post15168715
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@technoroom consider this insta-bought from me...
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I've been almost smug about my pleasure with the 99% old school aspect of the P5, down to the mono outputs etc, but I plugged it into an MXR Stereo Chorus pedal last night and... Oh, right! That's a SOUND!
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I have some Eurorack stuff like a Expert Sleepers ES-9 audio interface. I use that to run an effect rack in Mainstage with Ensemble, Phaser, Chorus (has a Dimension D now), SilverVerb and a ChromaVerb. So I can have Solina strings or Juno pads or an endless reverb for my selected Ambient Works MCXMMIII release ....
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I've used a TC Electronic Juno Chorus and the Klark Teknik 3rd Dimension Chorus or a Strymon Big Sky. In the box there are so many options it really just depends on what the session requires. There are plenty of times I leave it as a mono signal as well.
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I took a tip from the Japanese Synth Guru: Katsunori Ujiie on the MusicTrackJP Channel on Youtube and got a TC Electronic Stereo Chorus. It's an analog pedal for electric guitars but they are absolutely glorious with the P5/10. https://youtu.be/5IhC4ekLenc
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I’m still waiting for my P10 module to arrive. But I’ve been thinking about this very subject. One type of pedal I don’t yet have is a dedicated distortion box (I do have an H9 however). Anyone have a recommendation for a distortion/overdrive pedal that outputs stereo and is able to be very subtle? I don’t mind if it colors the sound a little as long as it sounds pleasing (100% subjective, I realize)
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Hi, i'm using an eventide H9Max. For me is an excelente machine. I has configured my H9 in inster mode into Logic Audio pro X making use of an external instrument. Is a great way to steroizing the Pro10 and too i can to use with other gear of my equipments.
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I’m still waiting for my P10 module to arrive. But I’ve been thinking about this very subject. One type of pedal I don’t yet have is a dedicated distortion box (I do have an H9 however). Anyone have a recommendation for a distortion/overdrive pedal that outputs stereo and is able to be very subtle? I don’t mind if it colors the sound a little as long as it sounds pleasing (100% subjective, I realize)
Analog Heat / Drive come immediately to mind, as does the Empress Multidrive, both of which are quite flexible. But they don't *add* stereo width or anything - you need phase or delay tricks to do that.
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TechnoRoom, how can I get updates regarding your pan mod board?
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Go to https://www.technologyroom.net and scroll towards the bottom of the page. There you will find an installation / overview document and sound samples. There is also an email address for correspondence.
Disclaimer: Sequential has stated both on the GS forum and to me personally, that they will not provide support or repairs on any unit that has been modified in a manner not explicitly prescribed by them (which this mod most definitely does). The reason given is that they are too small of a company to be able to support user-modified equipment.
Regards -- Randy
TechnoRoom, how can I get updates regarding your pan mod board?
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I have the Boss DC-2w and it doesn’t have enough headroom without a sort of workaround, kind of disappointing.
Strymon or Eventide is probably the best bet
I had similar headroom issues with some pedals like the DC2w, but since adding the Radial EXTC Stereo ramp patched into my interface my pedals sound much better. I can now control the level being sent to and coming back from the pedals. It really has made integrating my pedal collection into my workflow seamless.
https://www.radialeng.com/product/extc-stereo
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I know that the B word isnt the most popular around here for good reason, so are there any other effects/pedals that you run after your rev4s?
Strymon Volante, relevant for stereo thanks to the possibility to individually pan each playback head.
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I have an Alesis Quadraverb on the sends of my mixer and I route a group through it and then output the stereo pair into my Model 12 stereo channels.
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If I want to have it stereo I double track it. Sometimes (rarely) I use an UAD CE1 Chorus.
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I’m plugging into Kemper. The reverbs & delays are very good but l now wish l hadn’t sold the Fractal fm3. It’s fx were better.
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Arion SCH-1
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P5 mono > UAFX Astra stereo > UAFX Starlight stereo > UAFX Golden stereo > mixer
All pedals in true bypass-mode so that the signal remains untouched if I chose to not engage the effects
In the studio I go directly into a mono-strip and double-track if I want stereo
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Sometimes Boss CE2 Chorus, sometimes Boss Dimension (expands without sounding like chorus), and my current favorite is the Ventilator II with the leslie sim turned off; there's something about the overdrive and cabinet that really sounds good to me.
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I use TC June-60. I really like this reproduction of the Juno chorus.
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I spent the first few weeks with my Prophet 5 running it through nothing at all, and being perfectly satisfied. Its sound really needs nothing. But I've read these replies with interest.
I currently do not own a dedicated effects unit, so I started running my Prophet 5 through my Pro 3's effects, and that's a lot of fun. If you try this, make sure to set the input level down to about 30%, to avoid clipping with five notes. You may need to go lower if you have a Prophet 10, but I wouldn't know.
It was enough to get me thinking about getting a good external processor.
Aside from that, I have recorded a pad part with two passes, each one panned to one side. Both passes used the same Prophet 5 sound, but I switched from the Curtis filter to the Rossum filter on the second pass.
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I spent the first few weeks with my Prophet 5 running it through nothing at all, and being perfectly satisfied. Its sound really needs nothing. But I've read these replies with interest.
I currently do not own a dedicated effects unit, so I started running my Prophet 5 through my Pro 3's effects, and that's a lot of fun. If you try this, make sure to set the input level down to about 30%, to avoid clipping with five notes. You may need to go lower if you have a Prophet 10, but I wouldn't know.
It was enough to get me thinking about getting a good external processor.
Aside from that, I have recorded a pad part with two passes, each one panned to one side. Both passes used the same Prophet 5 sound, but I switched from the Curtis filter to the Rossum filter on the second pass.
In a fit of "keeping it real," I've been looking at old Effectron delays. Had one in my teenage days and loved it. Might be a nice unit to keep the P5 plugged into, in all mono glory! I've mostly stopped thinking about stereo options for the P5, other than via software. The 5 has such heft to its sound and in mono, it fills plenty of space...
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I am using Eventide H9 "Carnegie Hall" program mostly with factory preset 213 with slightly extended release tail. It sounds SO GOOD. I play Bach WTC whole book in one sitting hours and hours just to enjoy the beauty of it. The sound is stereo-ish, or perhaps stereo.
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I guess I wasn't kidding - I went ahead and grabbed an Effectron in great shape. The Prophet sounds perfect through it. And so very mono!
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2 outputs from 1 preamp into 2 interfaces, panning the main interface in left, and the 2nd middle right. It's always got a moderate amount of chorus because the 2 interfaces into the DAW, one is carried via ADAT to the other. So yeah even with no fx at all. Very cool chorus almost exact sounds, with a minute difference in timing and panning.
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P5 mono > UAFX Astra stereo > UAFX Starlight stereo > UAFX Golden stereo > mixer
All pedals in true bypass-mode so that the signal remains untouched if I chose to not engage the effects
In the studio I go directly into a mono-strip and double-track if I want stereo
I use this same trifecta of UAFX pedals with my Prophet 10 and it’s glorious!
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I'm developing an expansion board specifically designed for the Rev4 Prophets with 10 panpots on it, which is in the final stage of production. It duplicates the existing mixer and output circuitry (same chips) and produces L and R stereo line output and a stereo headphone output. The existing 1/4" stereo headphone jack on the back of the synth is repurposed to be the stereo line-level output. (Again, there is a new stereo headphone output on a 3.5mm jack to replace it.) The existing mono line-level output is unchanged and can be used in conjunction with the stereo output if desired. No traces are cut and no components are removed on any of the existing circuit boards, so the modification is completely reversible if desired. (The existing stereo headphone jack is rotated 180 degrees, but remains attached to the main board.) Photos of my Rev4 and details to come.
That sounds fantastic of a design. Seems to give a person many options for the Rev 4
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Do you have any idea yet to what your price might be?
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Made a short video how I get the Prophet 5 to stereo spread the voices:
https://youtu.be/Bbi7n26i1JE
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This is another way to go, with hardware mod:
https://www.musikding.de/Polysix-Prophet-5-Pan-Mod_1
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Made a short video how I get the Prophet 5 to stereo spread the voices:
https://youtu.be/Bbi7n26i1JE
This was really lovely. I can't see myself ever making the effort - I'm happy to have my P5 singing in glorious mono most of the time - but I really enjoyed watching the video!
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I took a tip from the Japanese Synth Guru: Katsunori Ujiie on the MusicTrackJP Channel on Youtube and got a TC Electronic Stereo Chorus. It's an analog pedal for electric guitars but they are absolutely glorious with the P5/10.
Did you get one of the TC Electronics SCF re-issues? and if so, don't you have clipping/headroom issues with it?
I am very interested in the TC Stereo Chorus (the only thing I would buy from the ImBehrium)
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Clipping issues stem from line level vs instrument level. A quick fix to this is to reduce the volume on your Prophet. If this quick fix leads to a weak signal or too much noise, get yourself a Radial Engineering StageBug 6. It has a -15db pad (so you can increase the volume on your Prophet) and it will adjust automatically for impedance.