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SEQUENTIAL/DSI => Prophet => Prophet Rev2 => Topic started by: RansomeNote on July 19, 2017, 11:30:21 AM
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I just purchased my copy, but I thought I'd post the link here for anyone else that might want it.
http://www.soundtower.com/rev2/index.html
Bill
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Thanks for the heads up, I'm waiting for a vest version hopefully
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Thanks for the heads up, I'm waiting for a vest version hopefully
VST not Vest!
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Downloaded the demo and played around a bit with it but can't get it to work. It's connected properly in the Midi setup and Globals selected properly. If I select a patch on either the Rev2 itself or Soundtower editor, both reflect the correct patch. If I change a setting on the keyboard directly, it updates on the editor. However, any controls I change on the editor do not get sent to the Rev2 and the sound does not change at all. Midi out is working though because besides sending programs to the Rev2, I can also make changes to Global settings in the editor and they update immediately on the keyboard. I've had another editor from Soundtower for the Prophet 12, so I know pretty well how to use the software. I don't think there is any setting I'm missing here either. Changing parameters on the editor just do not get sent to the keyboard. Note that I tired this with the keyboard connected both via MOTU Midi interface, and directly with a USB cable to my Mac desktop. I also updated the Rev2 from OS 1.05 to 1.065. Nothing works. Waiting for a reply from Soundtower at this point.
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Demo mode with limited functionality?
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That's a good question since I can't seem to find a manual, and I haven't noticed anything that mentions the difference between the demo and full modes. I assumed it had more to do with not allowing you to save your work. If none of the controls in the software work in demo mode, what would be the point of having a demo in the first place?
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That's a good question since I can't seem to find a manual, and I haven't noticed anything that mentions the difference between the demo and full modes. I assumed it had more to do with not allowing you to save your work. If none of the controls in the software work in demo mode, what would be the point of having a demo in the first place?
It's a bit like test driving a car and not being able to drive it!
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Anybody actually try this that bought it as of yet to confirm if it works or not?
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Is multimode supported? I know you can enable it in the app, but doesn't see where you can set it up
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The P12 editor has similar limitations in that it's only one-way for editing and you can't save user banks.
I found a problem with the demo that I don't know if it's a bug, a demo limitation or something else.
My setup is Roland A500 controller -> USB -> PC -> USB -> MOTU Midi Express 128 -> MIDI -> Rev2.
When I use the editor and play the A500, notes on the Rev2 only sound briefly. Looking at the activity on the MOTU, pressing a key sends two messages (plus a third when I release the key on the A500). Anyone else have this? The virtual keyboard in the editor works and if I run everything through Sonar everything is fine. Replacing the A500 with another MIDI keyboard is the same, so I don't think it's my setup.
It would be handy if they listed the limitations of the demo version.
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purchased a copy yesterday ... very good implementation so far I can say.
Much better than Synthet which I own, too.
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Just tested the software (Demo Version) and I can concur that the editing is only happen in one direction, if you change an encoder on the REV2 in changes in the software, however if you change that same encoder in software it doesn't update the REV2 accordingly! Obviously you can expect it to move the pot as they're not powered in any way but you would think it would update the value. I see no point in an editor that you can't edit on!
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purchased a copy yesterday ... very good implementation so far I can say.
Much better than Synthet which I own, too.
When you change something in the editor, is it mirrored on the Synth right away? I remember having issues with my Tetra ... it wouldn't update the settings on the synth so if I tweak a knob it would jump back to previous value.
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Just tested the software (Demo Version) and I can concur that the editing is only happen in one direction, if you change an encoder on the REV2 in changes in the software, however if you change that same encoder in software it doesn't update the REV2 accordingly! Obviously you can expect it to move the pot as they're not powered in any way but you would think it would update the value. I see no point in an editor that you can't edit on!
For better or worse, that's just the way Soundtower limits the usefulness of the unregistered demo version. It's exactly the same demo limitation on all their editors. Changes made on the editor will update the synth as you expect if you pay up for the full version.
Unless you *really* prefer editing on the computer I personally wouldn't bother with the editor. I've often used the demo versions to view my patches (quite useful - particularly on the P6) but have then done all the editing on the synth itself. Actually, the one thing the editor is particularly good for is editing the sequencer, which can be a pain on the hardware.
I think if the editors were $30 or less then I wouldn't have such a problem with them but $49 - $69 is, in my opinion, way too much for something I consider quite non-essential.
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for me the SoundTower Editor is worth every cent ... so much useful features that go beyond the usual giving a very powerful setup in combination with the rev2. tweaking on the synth itself (of course) and then making snapshots in the editor, organizing banks, morph / random and mix-functions that work, clear modulation routing, sequenzer editing and much more. no crashes yet here. not bad for a 1.0 release ... and I´m not affiliated with the Guys from SoundTower ;-)
cheers
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What SoundTower don't make clear is how the demo version is limited, so it difficult to make an informed purchase in the respect of the software functions. I can see that there are some excellent benefits of the SoundTower Editor, I will be considering the purchase once I've delved a little deeper in to the Demo.
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Confirmed. Registering the software does allow you to edit the parameters via the editor, as opposed to the demo version which does not. And yes, it would have made it easier if they just mentioned that on their website.
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Purchased mine. Works like a charm. The user interface is not exactly intuitive but it's very powerful.
So far I'm using it for two things:
1- Editing sequencer steps which is faster from the editor than on the synth itself
2- Rearranging patches
This solves an issue for me which is that loading a saved sysex from Librarian to the Rev2 would put it back to the same bank/patch number.
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Does anyone know if there's a manual or videos of the soundtower editor? I just bought it and there's a lot of things I don't understand yet. I mainly use it for the librarian and the sequencer but It hasn't been straightforward for me so far.
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Hey guys,
Just wondering if they got the FX sections right with this new editor? I use the ST editors with my OB6 and the FX section is never correctly displayed, plus the LFO sync button in the editor is always turned on when I open it. Even if the preset currently loaded doesn't have the sync button turned on. Annoying as hell considering what I paid for both versions.
If they have managed to get it right with Rev 2 maybe there is hope for the OB6 editor.
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Hey guys,
Just wondering if they got the FX sections right with this new editor? I use the ST editors with my OB6 and the FX section is never correctly displayed, plus the LFO sync button in the editor is always turned on when I open it. Even if the preset currently loaded doesn't have the sync button turned on. Annoying as hell considering what I paid for both versions.
If they have managed to get it right with Rev 2 maybe there is hope for the OB6 editor.
seems to work all okay here
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Is anyone using this in Ableton on Win7? I just updated to version 1.22 of the SoundTower editor VST plugin. I finally found some instructions that says you have to turn off the Rev midi stuff in Ableton for the Editor plugin to work in the DAW. When I do this, I can finally get the Editor plugin to work with the Rev 2 like the standalone editor does. The problem is that if I disable the midi connections in the DAW, the editor plugin controls all the parameters of the Rev 2 great, but I haven't figured out an easy way to both record and play back midi and use the editor plugin.
Anyone have any tips on how to set this up?
As best as I can tell, I have to put the editor plugin on midi track 1. I have "Control Program Change with Automation", "THRU MIDI in Port -> Host", and "THRU Host -> MIDI Out Port" all enabled. "THRU Host -> Host PlugSE Monitoring" is disabled. I have a 2nd midi track (Midi track 2) that has "Midi From" set to the PlugSE plugin on Midi Track 1. Midi track 2 has it's "Midi 2" set to "Track In" for Midi track 1. Midi Track 1 Monitor is set to "In", and Midi Track 2 Monitor is set to "Auto".
I have an Audio track that deals with the Audio from the Rev 2 into my interface so I can record the audio too if I wish.
When I record, I record-enable Midi tracks 1 and 2. On Midi Track 1, what gets recorded is the automation for any parameters I've previously configured in PlugSE and the midi note data. On Midi Track 2, I get the midi note data I played. The midi note data on track 1 actually gets ignored during playback. (I can't figure out a way to record just the automation but not the note data on track 1, and I can't figure out a way to record the automation data at all on midi track 2).
This is all a bit kludge-y, but it seems to sort of work. Is there any easier/better way?
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When I record, I record-enable Midi tracks 1 and 2. On Midi Track 1, what gets recorded is the automation for any parameters I've previously configured in PlugSE and the midi note data. On Midi Track 2, I get the midi note data I played. The midi note data on track 1 actually gets ignored during playback. (I can't figure out a way to record just the automation but not the note data on track 1, and I can't figure out a way to record the automation data at all on midi track 2).
This is all a bit kludge-y, but it seems to sort of work. Is there any easier/better way?
It do not work for me. I cannot record automation of the knob in Ableton Live. It's really frustrating. Everything work well except that.
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When I record, I record-enable Midi tracks 1 and 2. On Midi Track 1, what gets recorded is the automation for any parameters I've previously configured in PlugSE and the midi note data. On Midi Track 2, I get the midi note data I played. The midi note data on track 1 actually gets ignored during playback. (I can't figure out a way to record just the automation but not the note data on track 1, and I can't figure out a way to record the automation data at all on midi track 2).
This is all a bit kludge-y, but it seems to sort of work. Is there any easier/better way?
It do not work for me. I cannot record automation of the knob in Ableton Live. It's really frustrating. Everything work well except that.
Nevermind, I forgot to enable a parameter. It work now.
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Anyone knows if there is a manual pdf or online for soundtower? I have the stand alone version
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Anyone knows if there is a manual pdf or online for soundtower? I have the stand alone version
There isn't. I bought this a month ago, and sent Soundtower the exact same question. They said they had no documentation at all, and suggested to look at the documentation of the P12 product, as it was about the same.
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Confirmed. Registering the software does allow you to edit the parameters via the editor, as opposed to the demo version which does not. And yes, it would have made it easier if they just mentioned that on their website.
Thank you for this!! I had exactly your experience and your questions.
Bill
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Hello,
I have a question regarding the Sountower VST/AU Editor before purchasing. I tried the Demo version and it seems to work fine in Ableton 11.
However, I want to use it to control the Prophet Rev2 in Multimode on, so I have setup two midi tracks in ableton: I load an External Instrument Device in each of these tracks, each sending to two adjacent midi channels (1 and 2), to control each timbre of the synth (it is bitimbral). Then I load the "Control" version of the Soundtower plugin (not the Instrument version) and put it after the external instrument device - two instances of the plugin, one in each track.
In the second track I try to activate “Edit Layer B” in the (Demo) plugin. It should work to edit/automate parameters on layer B of the synth correct (so second timbre)? Right now, in the demo version, it does not work (only layer A oscillator parameters are affected it seems, even with "Edit Layer B" button On/lighted), but I guess this is because “Edit Layer B” button is disabled in the demo plugin? Is this correct? Anyone with the paid version could try and confirm please?
If indeed we can have two instances of the Control plugin, and one can automate/edit Layer A, while the other automates/edits Layer B, then I believe the synth can be controlled in multimode (the two timbres separately by the two instances of the plugin), as outgoing midi channels are defined within the daw (track midi out through ableton’s external instrument device in this case). It would be great if so, as I plan to use the Prophet Rev2 as two independent synths in one box. But I don't want to buy the plugin and then find out it does not work!
Thanks in advance for your help, if you decide to try it.
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I'm not in front to test this right now, but I think you would just set the second instance to the midi channel of layer B, which is 1 higher than Layer A. For Instance, if you have the Rev set to MIDI Channel one, in multimode, Layer A will respond to MIDI Channel 1, and Layer B will respond to MIDI Channel 2. So just point the 2 instances of the VST editor to the 2 different MIDI channels. At least that is how I understand it should work. I can test it out later.