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OTHER DISCUSSIONS => General Synthesis => Other Hardware/Software => Topic started by: Sacred Synthesis on June 14, 2016, 08:20:44 AM
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Of the many instruments produced by Sequential Circuits, the Prophet 600 has always sounded to me the most like a DSI synthesizer. I really like its character. Interestingly, I've heard many P600 demos that sounded so much like a Prophet '08. I've never associated the Prophet 5 sound with the Prophet '08, but the Prophet 600 is another story. One instrument could easily substitute for the other, due to their sonic similarities.
The P600 has a fairly basic feature set, but the good effect this has is that its users tend to make music with it, rather than endlessly tweak its parameters and make elaborate sound effects. That's just the sort of synthesizer that appeals to me.
Here are some examples of the character I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZvgYxHpIOQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGa7dQhSY6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z5c71OOZXo
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Here's a comparison video of a P600 and an OB-6. The two instruments use only similar sounds, so the comparison value is limited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_T8LIX-Gk8
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I really like the Prophet-600. I like its old school sound. I've always been fond of Vince Clarkes use of the Pro One, and I also really like the Prophet 5. I imagine the Prophet-600 sounds equally great.
I own the Prophet 6, but sometimes find it too clinical sounding, and I almost never use the effects. Each time I make a patch I find myself work extra hard to get that vintage sound, and then I only get about 80% there. I'd like a synth that has that inherent vibe, no matter what sound I make.
I've been going back and forth between the Prophet 600 and the Jupiter 6 as a replacement.
The one thing thats holding me back from the Prophet 600 is its lack of sequencer. I love sequencers. :-)
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Interesting comments on the Prophet-6. Have you tried the Prophet '08? I'm just curious, because the sound of the Prophet 600 always reminds of the Prophet '08.
I've never played a Prophet 600 either, but many of the videos I've heard sound excellent - and by that, I mean the character of the instrument, and not necessarily the high audio quality of the recording. It's funny how the former still comes through, in spite of the latter. I like the directness and simplicity of the control panel. Just the fundamentals.
There's quite a difference between the Jupiter 6 and the P600, isn't there? At least with the P600 you can get the Gligli update.
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I'm just curious, because the sound of the Prophet 600 always reminds of the Prophet '08.
Interesting. I would have said the opposite, but then it's also been a while since I played a Prophet 600. Sounded way more brassier and aggressive to me (tameable, of course). So I would describe the Prophet '08 as more polite sounding.
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I'm just curious, because the sound of the Prophet 600 always reminds of the Prophet '08.
Interesting. I would have said the opposite, but then it's also been a while since I played a Prophet 600. Sounded way more brassier and aggressive to me (tameable, of course). So I would describe the Prophet '08 as more polite sounding.
Meaning that a Prophet '08 sounds just like a Prophet 600? Yeah, I would agree with that, too. :D
I know what you meant. I truly think these two instrument sound very similar. It strikes me over and over again - that pleasantly bright and bristly filter that quickly changes to warm and mysterious as you close it. I personally don't think the P'08 sounds so dull and tame, like an old stiff and starchy VA. I know that's the prevailing view, but I find just the opposite to be true.
The three recordings I posted above - I'm sure I could easily and convincingly emulate those sounds on my Prophet '08. Indeed, they are its natural and normal voice.
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I truly think these two instrument sound very similar. It strikes me over and over again - that pleasantly bright and bristly filter that quickly changes to warm and mysterious as you close it. I personally don't think the P'08 sounds so dull and tame, like an old stiff and starchy VA. I know that's the prevailing view, but I find just the opposite to be true.
I didn't mean to say that the Prophet '08 sounds dull, just more polite, cleaner, sophisticated.
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Yeah, I kind of put words in your mouth. Sorry. But I get what you're saying. I just think the Prophet '08 is an under-appreciated classic. It can be made to sound pretty and petite, or else, like a giant monster that's going to gobble us all up.
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I just think the Prophet '08 is an under-appreciated classic. It can be made to sound petite and pretty, or else, like a giant monster that's going to gobble us up.
It certainly can do both, yeah. What I meant by more aggressive sounding is something like an MS-20 vs a smooth Moog lead sound - just to make that continuum clear. In some ways the Prophet 600 reminded me more of that raw tone the Pro One is usually associated with. Definitely more edgy than the Prophet '08, which is what I meant by more polite with regard to the latter. And I still owned a Prophet '08 at the time I played a Prophet 600. To me it just sounded different, more wiry (for a lack of a better expression) and also more vintage, simply more raw. Marc Doty often uses the description of how you can sometimes just "feel" the voltages moving through a particular vintage synth. The Prophet 600 did this for me, not the Prophet '08.
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Interesting comments on the Prophet-6. Have you tried the Prophet '08? I'm just curious, because the sound of the Prophet 600 always reminds of the Prophet '08.
I've never played a Prophet 600 either, but many of the videos I've heard sound excellent - and by that, I mean the character of the instrument, and not necessarily the high audio quality of the recording. It's funny how the former still comes through, in spite of the latter. I like the directness and simplicity of the control panel. Just the fundamentals.
There's quite a difference between the Jupiter 6 and the P600, isn't there? At least with the P600 you can get the Gligli update.
I've always been curious about the Prophet 600, as a more affordable cousin of the 5. They're pretty hard to find in the UK though.
The P600 may gave Gligli but the Jupiter 6 also has Europa. Both great synths in their modernised forms. I really should use my Jupiter 6 more. I love the sound of it and always seems to fit easily into a mix.
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PS: These two videos come closest to my impression (with regard to the sonic character I was addressing):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzQ9prO9z2E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzQ9prO9z2E)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46QTnMUWVU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46QTnMUWVU)
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I continue to be amazed at the sound of this instrument. I love the rawness of its filter and PWM.
Here's a question for you synth experts: In your opinion, which DSI/Sequential synthesizer sounds most like the Prophet 600?
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I continue to be amazed at the sound of this instrument. I love the rawness of its filter and PWM.
Here's a question for you synth experts: In your opinion, which DSI/Sequential synthesizer sounds most like the Prophet 600?
Hm, that's difficult. None really has that particular raw brassy rattling character as I would call it. You'd probably get closest if you swap the Prophet-6 filters with the Prophet '08/REV2 filter. Just spontaneously I'd say the Prophet '08/REV2. Mainly because the Prophet-6 sounds too premium in my ears, which I consider to be the opposite of the Prophet-600 sound. Plus: with the Prophet '08/REV2 you're definitely closer in terms of filter characteristics. The latter still sounds more hi-fi and smoother to me though.
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Actually, there aren't too many choices, are there? I mean, it's either the Prophet '08/REV2, the Prophet-6, the Prophet 12, the Poly Evolver, or the OB-6. It probably isn't going to be any of the last three, so it comes down to either the P'08/REV2 or the P-6, or perhaps none. Hmmm, DSI needs yet another Prophet. :D
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It appears that I'm bringing home a new member of the family next week, with new (reissue) CEM3340 Rev G VCO chips and a Gligli v2.x upgrade already installed...!
I've been hankering for a VCO-based polysynth for quite a while, but was unwilling to forgo a decent degree of MIDI control and serviceability for so-called "vintage tone". And–as I already have a Toraiz AS-1 on order from Sweetwater (handling my single Prophet-6 voice "fix"), this seemed to be a viable option.
This Prophet-600 will dovetail nicely with my other early-MIDI-with-a-freshly-rebrained Kiwi(JX)-3P; although neither unit has a velocity-sensitive keyboard, both now possess faster-than-original envelopes (with velocity scaling), LFOs and MIDI CC support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIrymQoaU9I
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Good for you. Congratulations.
Is that your Youtube channel, David?
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Someone recently did a voice panning upgrade similar to the one of the OB-X. The article is in German, but you can find audio examples below the article and the word "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/diy-sequential-prophet-600-panorama-upgrade/
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Good for you. Congratulations.
Is that your Youtube channel, David?
Oh, no–not mine–but that's one of the clips that finally convinced me.
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Someone recently did a voice panning upgrade similar to the one of the OB-X. The article is in German, but you can find audio examples below the article and the word "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/diy-sequential-prophet-600-panorama-upgrade/
Might be interesting to mount the pan adjust pots within the wood side panel a la OB-Series....
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Someone recently did a voice panning upgrade similar to the one of the OB-X. The article is in German, but you can find audio examples below the article and the word "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/diy-sequential-prophet-600-panorama-upgrade/
Might be interesting to mount the pan adjust pots within the wood side panel a la OB-Series....
That would probably be the coolest solution. I found it quite interesting what it does to the sound. It turns it into a really luxurious sounding synth.
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Someone recently did a voice panning upgrade similar to the one of the OB-X. The article is in German, but you can find audio examples below the article and the word "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/diy-sequential-prophet-600-panorama-upgrade/
Might be interesting to mount the pan adjust pots within the wood side panel a la OB-Series....
That would probably be the coolest solution. I found it quite interesting what it does to the sound. It turns it into a really luxurious sounding synth.
Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
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It certainly speaks to the extensibility of the older synthesizer platforms, especially those for which the microprocessor became such an important sonic element.
I've been pretty impressed with the Gligli Prophet-600; it solves many of the issues I had with the envelope and LFO resolution, and it's been a source of great inspiration, even if it's just been ten-minute, as-I-walk-down-the-hallway interspersions.
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
Thank you Paul Dither for your encouraging words! :) Any news I will let you and this forum know.
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
Thank you Paul Dither for your encouraging words! :) Any news I will let you and this forum know.
Hi Paul (& Sequential Circuits / Dave Smith Instruments enthusiasts), As promised, here a quick status update: unfortunately the project with the 3rd party didn't realize as they put higher priority on their own latest development. Fair enough but somewhere sad... However good news, I found some time to design a PCB where I expect to get a batch of limited number of pcs within the next 10 days. These are pure unpopulated PCBs in through hole technology. Once avail I will of course populate one and run some test with it in my P600 to prove that everything is working fine. In parallel I will try to find a reliable and smooth solution for the CEM 3372 filter IC adaptors (one needed per voice). Already have some ideas, let's see. Also I will write a quick starter guide so that people can easily build up and integrade this mod into their Prophet-600. That's basically all for now, please stay tuned. Any questions in the meantime please let me know. Let the sound be with us. All the best from Munich / Germany, Peter
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
Thank you Paul Dither for your encouraging words! :) Any news I will let you and this forum know.
Hi Paul (& Sequential Circuits / Dave Smith Instruments enthusiasts), As promised, here a quick status update: unfortunately the project with the 3rd party didn't realize as they put higher priority on their own latest development. Fair enough but somewhere sad... However good news, I found some time to design a PCB where I expect to get a batch of limited number of pcs within the next 10 days. These are pure unpopulated PCBs in through hole technology. Once avail I will of course populate one and run some test with it in my P600 to prove that everything is working fine. In parallel I will try to find a reliable and smooth solution for the CEM 3372 filter IC adaptors (one needed per voice). Already have some ideas, let's see. Also I will write a quick starter guide so that people can easily build up and integrade this mod into their Prophet-600. That's basically all for now, please stay tuned. Any questions in the meantime please let me know. Let the sound be with us. All the best from Munich / Germany, Peter
As a suggestion: if your plan is to implement dual VCAs for output panning, per voice, please attempt to match the voltage-controlled pan behavior of the Curtis CEM 3379 / 3389 ICs (see link below), as used in later Sequential products. This would make it easier to integrate into other products (other than the Prophet 600) in the future, using the Gligli source code along with some additional support parts. (This would allow for storage of panning settings at global or patch level.)
http://www.curtiselectromusic.com/uploads/CEM_3389_Prelim.pdf
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
Thank you Paul Dither for your encouraging words! :) Any news I will let you and this forum know.
Hi Paul (& Sequential Circuits / Dave Smith Instruments enthusiasts), As promised, here a quick status update: unfortunately the project with the 3rd party didn't realize as they put higher priority on their own latest development. Fair enough but somewhere sad... However good news, I found some time to design a PCB where I expect to get a batch of limited number of pcs within the next 10 days. These are pure unpopulated PCBs in through hole technology. Once avail I will of course populate one and run some test with it in my P600 to prove that everything is working fine. In parallel I will try to find a reliable and smooth solution for the CEM 3372 filter IC adaptors (one needed per voice). Already have some ideas, let's see. Also I will write a quick starter guide so that people can easily build up and integrade this mod into their Prophet-600. That's basically all for now, please stay tuned. Any questions in the meantime please let me know. Let the sound be with us. All the best from Munich / Germany, Peter
As a suggestion: if your plan is to implement dual VCAs for output panning, per voice, please attempt to match the voltage-controlled pan behavior of the Curtis CEM 3379 / 3389 ICs (see link below), as used in later Sequential products. This would make it easier to integrate into other products (other than the Prophet 600) in the future, using the Gligli source code along with some additional support parts. (This would allow for storage of panning settings at global or patch level.)
http://www.curtiselectromusic.com/uploads/CEM_3389_Prelim.pdf
Thanks for the proposal, I think this is a very good idea hich could be reflected in a future update. Current design is not so sophisticated, it is based on a buffered passive pan section and dual VCA only in the output stage. Actually the VCA is used here for manual volume control (like in the original circuit) and for output signal mute when auto tune is activated.
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Hello, I coincidentally came across this conversation and thought it might be interesting to comment.
It's me who wrote this article about my little DIY P600 panning project. Due to the positive resonance I'd like to make this upgrade productive, accessible and easily applicable for interested P600 enthusiasts. In this context I teamed up with a small but fine company in Germany which has a good reputation and experience with its own synthesizer upgrades. As this engagement just started it may take a little while until they have a final product on the table. In this scenario I have no financial interest but would love to see a professional realization of my idea. Any questions or suggestions in the meantime please let me know.
Thank you for sharing, Pete66. I'm sure this upgrade will attract quite a few Prophet 600 users. So I'm wishing you good luck with this project! Also: Feel free to post any further updates on here.
Thank you Paul Dither for your encouraging words! :) Any news I will let you and this forum know.
Hi Paul (& Sequential Circuits / Dave Smith Instruments enthusiasts), As promised, here a quick status update: unfortunately the project with the 3rd party didn't realize as they put higher priority on their own latest development. Fair enough but somewhere sad... However good news, I found some time to design a PCB where I expect to get a batch of limited number of pcs within the next 10 days. These are pure unpopulated PCBs in through hole technology. Once avail I will of course populate one and run some test with it in my P600 to prove that everything is working fine. In parallel I will try to find a reliable and smooth solution for the CEM 3372 filter IC adaptors (one needed per voice). Already have some ideas, let's see. Also I will write a quick starter guide so that people can easily build up and integrade this mod into their Prophet-600. That's basically all for now, please stay tuned. Any questions in the meantime please let me know. Let the sound be with us. All the best from Munich / Germany, Peter
As a suggestion: if your plan is to implement dual VCAs for output panning, per voice, please attempt to match the voltage-controlled pan behavior of the Curtis CEM 3379 / 3389 ICs (see link below), as used in later Sequential products. This would make it easier to integrate into other products (other than the Prophet 600) in the future, using the Gligli source code along with some additional support parts. (This would allow for storage of panning settings at global or patch level.)
http://www.curtiselectromusic.com/uploads/CEM_3389_Prelim.pdf
Thanks for the proposal, I think this is a very good idea hich could be reflected in a future update. Current design is not so sophisticated, it is based on a buffered passive pan section and dual VCA only in the output stage. Actually the VCA is used here for manual volume control (like in the original circuit) and for output signal mute when auto tune is activated.
Today I picked up the PCBs
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Today I picked up the PCBs
That looks like a busy weekend ahead. ;)
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Today I picked up the PCBs
That looks like a busy weekend ahead. ;)
Exactly, busy but enjoyable :D
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Today I picked up the PCBs
That looks like a busy weekend ahead. ;)
Exactly, busy but enjoyable :D
Here we go, first build. Will do some testing tomorrow. ::)
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Today I picked up the PCBs
That looks like a busy weekend ahead. ;)
Exactly, busy but enjoyable :D
Here we go, first build. Will do some testing tomorrow. ::)
Very nice!
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Today I picked up the PCBs
That looks like a busy weekend ahead. ;)
Exactly, busy but enjoyable :D
Here we go, first build. Will do some testing tomorrow. ::)
Very nice!
Many thanks :). Outboard tests with external supply & oscilloscope were positive, next is to integrate this thing into my P600...
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...and everything works fine! :) Next is some "how to" docu.
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...and everything works fine! :) Next is some "how to" docu.
Hi All,
The docu is meanwhile in place, starting with a comprehensive 27pgs german users guide, tb. followed by an english version soon.
AND: famous online-shop "Das Musikding" will very soon (target: by weeks end!) be offering a complete kit including PCB at a very reasonable price. Please watch out for news and further details at https://www.musikding.de/
Trust these measures will make it easier for Prophet600 enthusiasts to enjoy the suggested panorama modification.
Cheers,
Pete66
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Fantastic! Glad to hear that everything worked out fine.
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Funny to feel I'm possibly hijacking this thread, but my question is basic and not related to any upgrades.
I have only had limited experience with the 600. The main studio I used to record at had one and I'd mess with it for a few minutes at a time. I don't remember much of it. Curious now, as a Prophet 6 owner and former P5 owner, how the 600 sits sonically in the sandwich.
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Fantastic! Glad to hear that everything worked out fine.
Thanks very much :)
In the meantime there is also an english manual available, please see attached.
The offering for the complete kit should go online some time next week @ www.musikding.de
I'm confident that these measures will ease Prophet-600 enthusiasts around the world to making use of this upgrade.
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Fantastic! Glad to hear that everything worked out fine.
Thanks very much :)
In the meantime there is also an English manual available, please see attached.
The offering for the complete kit should go online some time next week @ www.musikding.de
I'm confident that these measures will ease Prophet-600 enthusiasts around the world to making use of this upgrade.
It's there! ;D
Please find below direct link to the kit in the online shop:
English version:
https://www.musikding.de/Prophet-600-Pan-Mod_1
German version:
https://www.musikding.de/Prophet-600-Pan-Mod
Have fun!
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Funny to feel I'm possibly hijacking this thread, but my question is basic and not related to any upgrades.
I have only had limited experience with the 600. The main studio I used to record at had one and I'd mess with it for a few minutes at a time. I don't remember much of it. Curious now, as a Prophet 6 owner and former P5 owner, how the 600 sits sonically in the sandwich.
Good question, in my opinion sonically the original (non-upgraded) Prophet-600 is a rough beast which lacks a bit the variable and creamy sound of the P5. The Prophet 6 comes with a more clean and perhaps the most variable sound. The GliGli & Pan modded P600 however catches up greatly to the P5, making it a quite good (and cheaper!) alternative. The P5 design remains to be an all-time beauty though.
I'd be also interested in the judgement of other users... 8)
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Funny to feel I'm possibly hijacking this thread, but my question is basic and not related to any upgrades.
I have only had limited experience with the 600. The main studio I used to record at had one and I'd mess with it for a few minutes at a time. I don't remember much of it. Curious now, as a Prophet 6 owner and former P5 owner, how the 600 sits sonically in the sandwich.
Good question, in my opinion sonically the original (non-upgraded) Prophet-600 is a rough beast which lacks a bit the variable and creamy sound of the P5. The Prophet 6 comes with a more clean and perhaps the most variable sound. The GliGli & Pan modded P600 however catches up greatly to the P5, making it a quite good (and cheaper!) alternative. The P5 design remains to be an all-time beauty though.
I'd be also interested in the judgement of other users... 8)
For your convenience I uploaded another 13 sound examples (Prophet-600 with gligli + panorama) here, pls. see "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/leser-artikel/sequential-circuits-prophet-600-panorama-modifikation/
Note I recorded directly into my notebook using the built-in (sorry a bit noisy) soundcard, no effects, no postproduction, just raw stuff.
Hope you like it anyway. 8)
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Funny to feel I'm possibly hijacking this thread, but my question is basic and not related to any upgrades.
I have only had limited experience with the 600. The main studio I used to record at had one and I'd mess with it for a few minutes at a time. I don't remember much of it. Curious now, as a Prophet 6 owner and former P5 owner, how the 600 sits sonically in the sandwich.
Good question, in my opinion sonically the original (non-upgraded) Prophet-600 is a rough beast which lacks a bit the variable and creamy sound of the P5. The Prophet 6 comes with a more clean and perhaps the most variable sound. The GliGli & Pan modded P600 however catches up greatly to the P5, making it a quite good (and cheaper!) alternative. The P5 design remains to be an all-time beauty though.
I'd be also interested in the judgement of other users... 8)
For your convenience I uploaded another 13 sound examples (Prophet-600 with gligli + panorama) here, pls. see "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/leser-artikel/sequential-circuits-prophet-600-panorama-modifikation/
Note I recorded directly into my notebook using the built-in (sorry a bit noisy) soundcard, no effects, no postproduction, just raw stuff.
Hope you like it anyway. 8)
Quite nice, and "raw" is my preferred way of listening to a synth in the wild.
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Funny to feel I'm possibly hijacking this thread, but my question is basic and not related to any upgrades.
I have only had limited experience with the 600. The main studio I used to record at had one and I'd mess with it for a few minutes at a time. I don't remember much of it. Curious now, as a Prophet 6 owner and former P5 owner, how the 600 sits sonically in the sandwich.
Good question, in my opinion sonically the original (non-upgraded) Prophet-600 is a rough beast which lacks a bit the variable and creamy sound of the P5. The Prophet 6 comes with a more clean and perhaps the most variable sound. The GliGli & Pan modded P600 however catches up greatly to the P5, making it a quite good (and cheaper!) alternative. The P5 design remains to be an all-time beauty though.
I'd be also interested in the judgement of other users... 8)
For your convenience I uploaded another 13 sound examples (Prophet-600 with gligli + panorama) here, pls. see "Klangbeispiele":
https://www.amazona.de/leser-artikel/sequential-circuits-prophet-600-panorama-modifikation/
Note I recorded directly into my notebook using the built-in (sorry a bit noisy) soundcard, no effects, no postproduction, just raw stuff.
Hope you like it anyway. 8)
Quite nice, and "raw" is my preferred way of listening to a synth in the wild.
Excellent, thanks, please give a shout when you come for "Clubbing in Munich" ;)
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My friend Marcus is now also a v e r y p r o u d owner of this great synthesizer. I helped him to build up / integrate both upgrades GliGli and Pan Mod.
Note Marcus recorded an LP with pure Prophet 600 sound before we did the upgrades. This vinyl is not professionally marketed. Actually it is not marketed at all, it was mainly the realization of a dream. However anyone interested I'd be happy to get you in touch, just let me know.
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Hi there,
Sound designer and producer Jan Pieter Geersing created a very nice YT video of his gligli and panorama modded Prophet 600:
https://youtu.be/MnoZoLZDjPo
When you visit Jan's channel, please also watch his Jupiter 6 based interpretation of Human League's "Don't You Want Me" , it's just too great!
Enjoy :-)
Kind regards,
Pete66
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Hi, just picked up a Prophet 600. Having trouble finding sounds for it online. Is anyone aware of user groups, resource pages etc that might have patches for download or sale? Mostly looking for darker stuff for soundtracks and electronica. I’ll certainly be rolling my own, but love to have patches for inspiration and editing. Is there a gligli user group or sources fir patches for gligli modded 600s?Thanks for any input you can offer. I have searched and have found almost nothing.
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The Prophet 600 came out just after I bought my first synthesizer, the Polysix. At the time I really wished I'd waited, though it ended up being fine.
The Gigli upgrade continually has me interested. I'm definitely going to do the similar Kiwi8P upgrade to my JX-8P. I'm about to start fixing up my Polysix--I may look at one of these after I finish and see how well I like going back to it.
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I've been infatuated with the particular sound of this instrument for years. It strikes me as distinctive, bold, and brassy like the moog sound.
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I've been infatuated with the particular sound of this instrument for years. It strikes me as distinctive, bold, and brassy like the moog sound.
Depending on the condition of the CEM3372 filter / VCA, the sound of the Prophet-600 can soften a bit into a nicely-overdriven, fleshy wash; I wouldn't call it bright by any stretch.
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Quite a demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlgn5vLgtZo
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Yeah. Knowing your gear (and ok, having the Gigli upgrade) really makes a difference.
What kills me is that there's more tonal variation in that video than I've heard in almost all Moog One demos.
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Yeah. Knowing your gear (and ok, having the Gigli upgrade) really makes a difference.
What kills me is that there's more tonal variation in that video than I've heard in almost all Moog One demos.
I'd guess that it's a consequence of the One's complexity, and the constraints of the P-600 forcing one to take things to the extremes.
I do miss the sound of my P-600 and, while my plan remains to replace it with a Prophet-6 imminently, I haven't had as much time as late to do any serious synth work (which I hope will sort itself out).
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I used to make the Prophet 600 sing back in the day in 1984 and after. I modified/made my own custom patches, a few specifically for use to run through a Boss Heavy Metal HM-2 distortion pedal. End result? The best damn power-chord guitar emulation you could get from ANY synth at the time. I used these patches to play power chords & crunches in order to back-up our guitar player when he would take a solo. 8)
The recordings are old, but if you would like to hear what this sounded like, you can go to my "Prophet 600 Project" page on ReverbNation at https://www.reverbnation.com/prophet600project (https://www.reverbnation.com/prophet600project), or just google "chuck cohen prophet 600". :)
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70719332_2541402879213243_202432868201267200_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQnnuo0Rcr1vZJ6Kk4TYQTcXfYnKx0EkYFYskql0p_L2GczUlM5NB2-SellU8YsWitk&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=7733f8d31d9b7250e19594c2f59499c2&oe=5DF2E507)
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I modified/made my own custom patches, a few specifically for use to run through a Boss Heavy Metal HM-2 distortion pedal. End result? The best damn power-chord guitar emulation you could get from ANY synth at the time. I used these patches to play power chords & crunches in order to back-up our guitar player when he would take a solo. 8)
Ah the Boss guitar pedal range! Secret weapons of the synthesist. I used to use the Boss Turbo Distortion, DD3 and a Yamaha stereo chorus on an MS-20 for the "who needs a guitar?" lead patch myself :)
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is there someone that could get the soundbank of gunnare on you tube
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For those who are interested in presets for the Prophet 600 that take full advantage of the GliGli mod check out this demo. The demo gives a good impression of what the Prophet 600 with a GliGli mod is capable of.
Spoiler...It becomes a truly great synth. ;D
Presets are available here: https://tinyurl.com/t886kkr (https://tinyurl.com/t886kkr)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQZNh7VIMLQ&feature=emb_title